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  • D Dave Kerr

    I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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    I wasn't sure until I started using them to group related items in the same file: Fields Properties Constructors Event handlers Public properties Private properties Now I find it reduces the clutter, and lets you see what you are interested in, without being distracted by irrelevancies. So much so that I modified the VS default class (and so forth) files to include them as standard. There is a Tip/Trick about it here: Adding your items to Visual Studio default files[^]

    Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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    • G GuyThiebaut

      I have a love hate relationship with them - they can hide what I don't need to see when I am looking at significant code :) they also hide the code within a region from the find dialogue box :mad:

      Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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      GuyThiebaut wrote:

      they also hide the code within a region from the find dialogue box :mad:

      Check the 'search hidden text' box in the Find dialog.

      Software Zen: delete this;

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        Dave Kerr wrote:

        What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad?

        I like them. However, like any code style, your team needs to ALL be on the same sheet of music.

        Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)

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        Slacker007 wrote:

        your team needs to ALL be on the same sheet of music

        Oh yes! Nothing worse than one idiot individual who insists on K&R bracket format when everyone else has got an IQ bigger than their shoe size moved on to a more readable style.

        Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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        • D Dave Kerr

          I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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          Tom Deketelaere
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          I like them but only if used with common sense. Like Digital Man I get to enforce the standards and I'v "implemented" a few regions that everybody now uses. It makes finding specific code easier. But like with everything if you use them to much or to little they don't make sense at all.

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          • D Dave Kerr

            I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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            Gary Wheeler
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            I use them to break up groups of members/fields. It's nice to be able to collapse stuff away when I'm not concerned with it.

            Dave Kerr wrote:

            Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

            I wouldn't want them to be mandated in order to support Visual Studio features.

            Software Zen: delete this;

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            • D Dave Kerr

              I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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              RugbyLeague
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              I like them in my code, I find them irritating in the code of others

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                I wasn't sure until I started using them to group related items in the same file: Fields Properties Constructors Event handlers Public properties Private properties Now I find it reduces the clutter, and lets you see what you are interested in, without being distracted by irrelevancies. So much so that I modified the VS default class (and so forth) files to include them as standard. There is a Tip/Trick about it here: Adding your items to Visual Studio default files[^]

                Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                That is exactly what I do!

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                • G Gary Wheeler

                  GuyThiebaut wrote:

                  they also hide the code within a region from the find dialogue box :mad:

                  Check the 'search hidden text' box in the Find dialog.

                  Software Zen: delete this;

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                  GuyThiebaut
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                  Thank you :)

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                  • D Dave Kerr

                    I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                    realJSOP
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                    I like regions to a point. I think they would be more useful if we could set their background color to something other than the white space color.

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                    • G GuyThiebaut

                      Thank you :)

                      Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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                      Gary Wheeler
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                      In your defense, I didn't find it for a while. I think the box in the Find dialog should be labelled "search within collapsed regions", or something like that.

                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                      • D Dave Kerr

                        I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                        DaveAuld
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                        I tend to only use them if there is a lot happening on the code, and when i do use them, it is for the purpose of grouping like things together e.g. all button click methods together all menu.... all toolbar.... all statusbar.... all public properties together all private fields together like everything else though, each to there own, unless of course you are working to agreed coding guidelines as a group.

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                        • G GuyThiebaut

                          I have a love hate relationship with them - they can hide what I don't need to see when I am looking at significant code :) they also hide the code within a region from the find dialogue box :mad:

                          Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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                          NormDroid
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                          GuyThiebaut wrote:

                          they also hide the code within a region from the find dialogue box :mad:

                          Yes another compelling reason to avoid them.

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                            In your defense, I didn't find it for a while. I think the box in the Find dialog should be labelled "search within collapsed regions", or something like that.

                            Software Zen: delete this;

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                            GuyThiebaut
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                            .Net is my hobby - I think if I was doing this for a living then it would be rather more embarrassing - thanks for your help :)

                            Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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                            • D Dave Kerr

                              I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                              jim lahey
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                              Regions are a necessary evil. I find them helpful for grouping related or similar blocks of code within a file. Using

                              ctrl + k + s

                              and

                              ctrl + m + p

                              takes a lot of the pain out of them.

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                              • D Dave Kerr

                                I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                                Abhinav S
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                                Try remembering the following and you should be ok. (of course these may be different based on your settings)

                                Ctrl + M, M - Toggle Outlining expansion
                                Ctrl + M, L - Toggle all outlining
                                Ctrl + M, P - Stop outlining
                                Ctrl + M, Ctrl + U - stop hiding current
                                Ctrl + M, O - Collapse to definitions

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  I wasn't sure until I started using them to group related items in the same file: Fields Properties Constructors Event handlers Public properties Private properties Now I find it reduces the clutter, and lets you see what you are interested in, without being distracted by irrelevancies. So much so that I modified the VS default class (and so forth) files to include them as standard. There is a Tip/Trick about it here: Adding your items to Visual Studio default files[^]

                                  Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                                  Reiss
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                                  I also use To Refactor at the top of my code file for stuff that works, but could be improved on - by doing this I find that when I edit a file to make a change, I also tackle these too if time allows.

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                                  • D Dave Kerr

                                    I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                                    vonb
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                                    I use them sometimes (Interface related, etc.) but in WPF, as there is much more design than code, it doesn't make many sense.

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                                    • D Dave Kerr

                                      I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                                      Keith Barrow
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                                      Used to like, now dislike: Used to like and used them to tidy up "sections" of classes (e.g. fields, properties, methods) now I've come round to the opinion that is just hides code. Too often they hide incorrect class structure and poor general design. The worst offenders in this case are inside methods where a region is used to hide what should be refactored into private methods in some poorly written god-method. I've seeen them used to hide Data Access stuff in an object model which should have been a whole different architectural layer and entire "classes" within a god-class.

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                                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                        I wasn't sure until I started using them to group related items in the same file: Fields Properties Constructors Event handlers Public properties Private properties Now I find it reduces the clutter, and lets you see what you are interested in, without being distracted by irrelevancies. So much so that I modified the VS default class (and so forth) files to include them as standard. There is a Tip/Trick about it here: Adding your items to Visual Studio default files[^]

                                        Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                                        Dave Kerr
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                                        Nice, that's a useful tip

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                                        • D Dave Kerr

                                          I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                                          BillWoodruff
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                                          I like them ... used judiciously. best, Bill

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