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  • G GuyThiebaut

    Thank you :)

    Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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    Gary Wheeler
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    In your defense, I didn't find it for a while. I think the box in the Find dialog should be labelled "search within collapsed regions", or something like that.

    Software Zen: delete this;

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      I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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      DaveAuld
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      I tend to only use them if there is a lot happening on the code, and when i do use them, it is for the purpose of grouping like things together e.g. all button click methods together all menu.... all toolbar.... all statusbar.... all public properties together all private fields together like everything else though, each to there own, unless of course you are working to agreed coding guidelines as a group.

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      • G GuyThiebaut

        I have a love hate relationship with them - they can hide what I don't need to see when I am looking at significant code :) they also hide the code within a region from the find dialogue box :mad:

        Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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        NormDroid
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        GuyThiebaut wrote:

        they also hide the code within a region from the find dialogue box :mad:

        Yes another compelling reason to avoid them.

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        • G Gary Wheeler

          In your defense, I didn't find it for a while. I think the box in the Find dialog should be labelled "search within collapsed regions", or something like that.

          Software Zen: delete this;

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          GuyThiebaut
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          .Net is my hobby - I think if I was doing this for a living then it would be rather more embarrassing - thanks for your help :)

          Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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          • D Dave Kerr

            I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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            jim lahey
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            Regions are a necessary evil. I find them helpful for grouping related or similar blocks of code within a file. Using

            ctrl + k + s

            and

            ctrl + m + p

            takes a lot of the pain out of them.

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            • D Dave Kerr

              I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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              Abhinav S
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              Try remembering the following and you should be ok. (of course these may be different based on your settings)

              Ctrl + M, M - Toggle Outlining expansion
              Ctrl + M, L - Toggle all outlining
              Ctrl + M, P - Stop outlining
              Ctrl + M, Ctrl + U - stop hiding current
              Ctrl + M, O - Collapse to definitions

              Too much of heaven can bring you underground Heaven can always turn around Too much of heaven, our life is all hell bound Heaven, the kill that makes no sound

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                I wasn't sure until I started using them to group related items in the same file: Fields Properties Constructors Event handlers Public properties Private properties Now I find it reduces the clutter, and lets you see what you are interested in, without being distracted by irrelevancies. So much so that I modified the VS default class (and so forth) files to include them as standard. There is a Tip/Trick about it here: Adding your items to Visual Studio default files[^]

                Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                Reiss
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                I also use To Refactor at the top of my code file for stuff that works, but could be improved on - by doing this I find that when I edit a file to make a change, I also tackle these too if time allows.

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                • D Dave Kerr

                  I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                  vonb
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                  I use them sometimes (Interface related, etc.) but in WPF, as there is much more design than code, it doesn't make many sense.

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                  • D Dave Kerr

                    I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                    Keith Barrow
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                    Used to like, now dislike: Used to like and used them to tidy up "sections" of classes (e.g. fields, properties, methods) now I've come round to the opinion that is just hides code. Too often they hide incorrect class structure and poor general design. The worst offenders in this case are inside methods where a region is used to hide what should be refactored into private methods in some poorly written god-method. I've seeen them used to hide Data Access stuff in an object model which should have been a whole different architectural layer and entire "classes" within a god-class.

                    Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      I wasn't sure until I started using them to group related items in the same file: Fields Properties Constructors Event handlers Public properties Private properties Now I find it reduces the clutter, and lets you see what you are interested in, without being distracted by irrelevancies. So much so that I modified the VS default class (and so forth) files to include them as standard. There is a Tip/Trick about it here: Adding your items to Visual Studio default files[^]

                      Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                      Dave Kerr
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                      Nice, that's a useful tip

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                      • D Dave Kerr

                        I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                        BillWoodruff
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                        I like them ... used judiciously. best, Bill

                        "Is it a fact - or have I dreamt it - that, by means of electricity, the world of matter has become a great nerve, vibrating thousands of miles in a breathless point of time? Rather, the round globe is a vast head, a brain, instinct with intelligence!" - Nathanial Hawthorne, House of the Seven Gables

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                        • D Dave Kerr

                          I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                          Chris Maunder
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                          Like anything in code their use needs to be part of your coding standards. What I'd like to see is a way to colour the entire background of a region (specifically, green or yellow). I use them like

                          #region Public Methods ----------------------------------------------

                          and having the entire line highlighted would make them so increidbly valuable as markers. And I know: If your files are short enough you never need something like this... cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                          • D Dave Kerr

                            I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                            W Balboos GHB
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                            Region is the opiate of the people! Ooops. I read that wrong. Never mind

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              Like anything in code their use needs to be part of your coding standards. What I'd like to see is a way to colour the entire background of a region (specifically, green or yellow). I use them like

                              #region Public Methods ----------------------------------------------

                              and having the entire line highlighted would make them so increidbly valuable as markers. And I know: If your files are short enough you never need something like this... cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                              Tom Deketelaere
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                              Devexpress has something similar to that. Regions can be colored in a differant colour but not the entire region background unfortunately. There is a line indicating the start and end of the region and the option to have the name of the region both at the start and end. I find that it helps but could still be improved on. By the way something seems to be wrong with your sig. Don't see the line seperating your message and sig and there is html in it. This is what I get:

                              And I know: If your files are short enough you never need something like this...

                              cheers,
                              Chris Maunder

                              The Code Project | Co-founder
                              Microsoft C++ MVP

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                              • D Dave Kerr

                                I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                                Mario Luis
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                                I like them as long as used sensibly. They're also great when working with a section of controls events, I put all the events of a group of controls together and stick them in a region, makes it much easier to read.

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                                • D Dave Kerr

                                  I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                                  S Houghtelin
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                                  If regions are being used to hide code then they are being used incorrectly. When someone "hides" something that means they don't want you to see it. Sweeping a mess under the carpet does not eliminate it, now you have a lumpy rug that someone will trip on. I absolutely agree with using them to group related items, I especially likes Griff’s list above. The ability to change the background to have them stand out would be nice.

                                  It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                                  • D Dave Kerr

                                    I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                                    Nemanja Trifunovic
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                                    I use an editor[^] that supports real code folding. [^]. Why would I need "regions"? :-\

                                    utf8-cpp

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                                    • D Dave Kerr

                                      I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                                      good use is a bliss, bad use; hell. :)

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                                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                        Slacker007 wrote:

                                        your team needs to ALL be on the same sheet of music

                                        Oh yes! Nothing worse than one idiot individual who insists on K&R bracket format when everyone else has got an IQ bigger than their shoe size moved on to a more readable style.

                                        Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                                        GuyThiebaut
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                                        I did not know what K&R was so I looked it up - euugh! X| That is a seriously bad way to screw with people's minds!

                                        Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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                                          good use is a bliss, bad use; hell. :)

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                                          S Houghtelin
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                                          V. wrote:

                                          good use is a bliss, bad use; hell

                                          Very appropriate description of how to write code in any language old, outdated or new. +5 :thumbsup:

                                          It was broke, so I fixed it.

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