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  • D Dave Kerr

    I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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    jim lahey
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    Regions are a necessary evil. I find them helpful for grouping related or similar blocks of code within a file. Using

    ctrl + k + s

    and

    ctrl + m + p

    takes a lot of the pain out of them.

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    • D Dave Kerr

      I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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      Abhinav S
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      Try remembering the following and you should be ok. (of course these may be different based on your settings)

      Ctrl + M, M - Toggle Outlining expansion
      Ctrl + M, L - Toggle all outlining
      Ctrl + M, P - Stop outlining
      Ctrl + M, Ctrl + U - stop hiding current
      Ctrl + M, O - Collapse to definitions

      Too much of heaven can bring you underground Heaven can always turn around Too much of heaven, our life is all hell bound Heaven, the kill that makes no sound

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        I wasn't sure until I started using them to group related items in the same file: Fields Properties Constructors Event handlers Public properties Private properties Now I find it reduces the clutter, and lets you see what you are interested in, without being distracted by irrelevancies. So much so that I modified the VS default class (and so forth) files to include them as standard. There is a Tip/Trick about it here: Adding your items to Visual Studio default files[^]

        Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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        Reiss
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        I also use To Refactor at the top of my code file for stuff that works, but could be improved on - by doing this I find that when I edit a file to make a change, I also tackle these too if time allows.

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        • D Dave Kerr

          I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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          vonb
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          I use them sometimes (Interface related, etc.) but in WPF, as there is much more design than code, it doesn't make many sense.

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          • D Dave Kerr

            I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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            Keith Barrow
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            Used to like, now dislike: Used to like and used them to tidy up "sections" of classes (e.g. fields, properties, methods) now I've come round to the opinion that is just hides code. Too often they hide incorrect class structure and poor general design. The worst offenders in this case are inside methods where a region is used to hide what should be refactored into private methods in some poorly written god-method. I've seeen them used to hide Data Access stuff in an object model which should have been a whole different architectural layer and entire "classes" within a god-class.

            Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
            -Or-
            A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              I wasn't sure until I started using them to group related items in the same file: Fields Properties Constructors Event handlers Public properties Private properties Now I find it reduces the clutter, and lets you see what you are interested in, without being distracted by irrelevancies. So much so that I modified the VS default class (and so forth) files to include them as standard. There is a Tip/Trick about it here: Adding your items to Visual Studio default files[^]

              Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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              Dave Kerr
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              Nice, that's a useful tip

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              • D Dave Kerr

                I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                BillWoodruff
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                I like them ... used judiciously. best, Bill

                "Is it a fact - or have I dreamt it - that, by means of electricity, the world of matter has become a great nerve, vibrating thousands of miles in a breathless point of time? Rather, the round globe is a vast head, a brain, instinct with intelligence!" - Nathanial Hawthorne, House of the Seven Gables

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                • D Dave Kerr

                  I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                  Chris Maunder
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                  Like anything in code their use needs to be part of your coding standards. What I'd like to see is a way to colour the entire background of a region (specifically, green or yellow). I use them like

                  #region Public Methods ----------------------------------------------

                  and having the entire line highlighted would make them so increidbly valuable as markers. And I know: If your files are short enough you never need something like this... cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                  • D Dave Kerr

                    I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                    W Balboos GHB
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                    Region is the opiate of the people! Ooops. I read that wrong. Never mind

                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                    "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                    • C Chris Maunder

                      Like anything in code their use needs to be part of your coding standards. What I'd like to see is a way to colour the entire background of a region (specifically, green or yellow). I use them like

                      #region Public Methods ----------------------------------------------

                      and having the entire line highlighted would make them so increidbly valuable as markers. And I know: If your files are short enough you never need something like this... cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                      Tom Deketelaere
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                      Devexpress has something similar to that. Regions can be colored in a differant colour but not the entire region background unfortunately. There is a line indicating the start and end of the region and the option to have the name of the region both at the start and end. I find that it helps but could still be improved on. By the way something seems to be wrong with your sig. Don't see the line seperating your message and sig and there is html in it. This is what I get:

                      And I know: If your files are short enough you never need something like this...

                      cheers,
                      Chris Maunder

                      The Code Project | Co-founder
                      Microsoft C++ MVP

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                      • D Dave Kerr

                        I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                        Mario Luis
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                        I like them as long as used sensibly. They're also great when working with a section of controls events, I put all the events of a group of controls together and stick them in a region, makes it much easier to read.

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                        • D Dave Kerr

                          I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                          S Houghtelin
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                          If regions are being used to hide code then they are being used incorrectly. When someone "hides" something that means they don't want you to see it. Sweeping a mess under the carpet does not eliminate it, now you have a lumpy rug that someone will trip on. I absolutely agree with using them to group related items, I especially likes Griff’s list above. The ability to change the background to have them stand out would be nice.

                          It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                          • D Dave Kerr

                            I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                            Nemanja Trifunovic
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                            I use an editor[^] that supports real code folding. [^]. Why would I need "regions"? :-\

                            utf8-cpp

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                            • D Dave Kerr

                              I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                              good use is a bliss, bad use; hell. :)

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                                good use is a bliss, bad use; hell. :)

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                                S Houghtelin
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                                V. wrote:

                                good use is a bliss, bad use; hell

                                Very appropriate description of how to write code in any language old, outdated or new. +5 :thumbsup:

                                It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  Slacker007 wrote:

                                  your team needs to ALL be on the same sheet of music

                                  Oh yes! Nothing worse than one idiot individual who insists on K&R bracket format when everyone else has got an IQ bigger than their shoe size moved on to a more readable style.

                                  Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                                  GuyThiebaut
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                                  I did not know what K&R was so I looked it up - euugh! X| That is a seriously bad way to screw with people's minds!

                                  Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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                                    Region is the opiate of the people! Ooops. I read that wrong. Never mind

                                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                    "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                    Dave Kerr
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                                    Just snorted tea all over my desk with that one

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                                    • C Chris Maunder

                                      Like anything in code their use needs to be part of your coding standards. What I'd like to see is a way to colour the entire background of a region (specifically, green or yellow). I use them like

                                      #region Public Methods ----------------------------------------------

                                      and having the entire line highlighted would make them so increidbly valuable as markers. And I know: If your files are short enough you never need something like this... cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                      Dave Kerr
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                                      That's what I was thinking, if they could change the whole background then they might be a bit more visible. I suppose it could be done in VS2010 as WPF plugins can be written to draw in the code editor

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                                      • D Dave Kerr

                                        Just snorted tea all over my desk with that one

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                                        W Balboos GHB
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                                        You should not be surprised to learn that you've just made my day.

                                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                        "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                                        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                        • K Keith Barrow

                                          Used to like, now dislike: Used to like and used them to tidy up "sections" of classes (e.g. fields, properties, methods) now I've come round to the opinion that is just hides code. Too often they hide incorrect class structure and poor general design. The worst offenders in this case are inside methods where a region is used to hide what should be refactored into private methods in some poorly written god-method. I've seeen them used to hide Data Access stuff in an object model which should have been a whole different architectural layer and entire "classes" within a god-class.

                                          Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                                          -Or-
                                          A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                          AspDotNetDev
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                                          Keith Barrow wrote:

                                          I've seeen them used to hide Data Access stuff in an object model which should have been a whole different architectural layer and entire "classes" within a god-class.

                                          Guilty.

                                          Martin Fowler wrote:

                                          Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.

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