it's new year's eve now...
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Ted Ferenc wrote: The New Year always brings hope and the possibility of change. i believe every day does :-D My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
Thomas George wrote: i believe every day does Only if we make it so. Let go for a better day.:-D "I will find a new sig someday."
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I am English my Parents are Polish, when I first visited Poland c 1970 it was very similar there, now it is different, they will be joining the EEC in 2004. The New Year always brings hope and the possibility of change. But one could start a new thread on if becoming westerinsed is a great improvement? See the comments on Bush in this thread.
Ted Ferenc wrote: But one could start a new thread on if becoming westerinsed is a great improvement? I don't think becoming "westernized" is the point. I think giving people a chance to make their own choices about their lives and government is the key. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Thomas George wrote: i believe every day does Only if we make it so. Let go for a better day.:-D "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Only if we make it so That is so true.
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Not to mention the slick real estate scams she could cover up much better from the White House.:) "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)
Nothing compared to Enron. Chaney got the court to squash the General Account Office's lawsuit to look into his part of it. Hillary didn't even get that. She's a wanna-be scammer, needs to take lessons from The Master :)
"Perhaps the truth is less interesting than the facts?" -- Amy Weiss, RIAA's Senior Vice President of Communications.
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I don't understand this. No many American citizens around here seems to like GWB's policies very much. Even the conservative-minded here are drawing parallels with Hitler. Why does Bush have such a massive rating then (or is it that CP crowd is not representative of America)? Is it that the people don't really care as long as they have the economic freedom? My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
I still support the little guy. I'll never have a leader I agree with 100%, they will all make errors, and if I recall it's not the president who inacts all the laws, but has to be voted on by Congress which is made up of Rep. and Dem. people are scared, and the most logical place to point the finger is the current leader, as though he actually has complete power. Comparing him with Hitler if a bunch of [soapbox expletive here]! He doesn't have answers to homeland security. Nobody does right now. So its easy to pick apart whatever he's trying to do. I don't hear anyone else raising their hands or taking the lead with some great new ideas. regarding foreign policy. It's always been US policy to further secure our position as THE globally dominant power. Just like any other nation who has the ability to do it would, we try to gain control over resources, whether through economic means, or playing off of local political troubles. Personally, I have not lost any freedoms to do what i want, yet. When I do, I'll be pissed off, and try to do something about it. [but Brian that will be too late?] I have a life to enjoy, friends, family, blah, blah, blah... I'm not going to give that up to fret about someone else, unless they are close to me, or I can actually make a difference fairly quickly. Sorry. My life is short. BW "If you enjoy what you do, you'll never work another day in your life." - Confucius
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It is a shame. I think even considering the lurking dangers, the administration is paranoid. Also, I do not still understand how North Korea (with a nuclear programme against a treaty with US, and having an untested, yet developed missile that can deliver it to US west coast) is a lesser threat than Iraq? Rumsfeld says that he is building missile shield for this. Does the shield discriminate between an Iraqi missile and N. Korean missile or what? The arguments don't fit in. I hope someone can clear my doubts. Bill O'rielly was saying on Fox that Saddam funds Hamas, and once Saddam is out, Hamas will no longer be there, and there will be a chance of peace in Middle East. Is it not what we call wishful thinking or living in fool's paradise? The Palestine problem was there even before Saddam became leader of Iraq. I believe Palestinians will keep finding new supporters. Is FOX news getting funded by the US govt. for putting out these speculations? My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
Thomas George wrote: Is FOX news getting funded by the US govt. for putting out these speculations? Nah, just a slow news day. Like I always say, you have to be very, VERY careful listening to US mass media. Here is a case where the "journalist" O'Rielly makes a statement about his opinion. His opinion is NOT news. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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Ted Ferenc wrote: But one could start a new thread on if becoming westerinsed is a great improvement? I don't think becoming "westernized" is the point. I think giving people a chance to make their own choices about their lives and government is the key. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
I do not want to get too political, if you talk to people in Poland a lot will say life was better under the communists, others of course won't, the farmers were paid a fair price paid for what they produced now with "market forces" that does not always happen. IMHO I like the freedom to make my own choices and say what I like, but one should not automatically assume that their way of life, or opinions, are the best for everyone, the world is made up of many people with very diverse cultures what suits one will not suit all of them.
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Thomas George wrote: i believe every day does Aye, that it does. Every day I can still get out of bed and totter to the bathroom and see that I'm still breathing, is a good day. What's Latin for "Sieze the day"?
"Perhaps the truth is less interesting than the facts?" -- Amy Weiss, RIAA's Senior Vice President of Communications.
It's the new math! 421 == 156 !Bitterman wrote: What's Latin for "Sieze the day"? "e clampus phallus?" "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)
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Thomas George wrote: Is FOX news getting funded by the US govt. for putting out these speculations? Nah, just a slow news day. Like I always say, you have to be very, VERY careful listening to US mass media. Here is a case where the "journalist" O'Rielly makes a statement about his opinion. His opinion is NOT news. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
To be fair, O'Rielly doesn't even pretend to be a journalist, and O'Rielly often make it clear that he is stating his opinion, rather than news; something that would be welcome on all News providers. Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell
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Thomas George wrote: i believe every day does Aye, that it does. Every day I can still get out of bed and totter to the bathroom and see that I'm still breathing, is a good day. What's Latin for "Sieze the day"?
"Perhaps the truth is less interesting than the facts?" -- Amy Weiss, RIAA's Senior Vice President of Communications.
It's the new math! 421 == 156 !Carpe Diem. Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell
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I do not want to get too political, if you talk to people in Poland a lot will say life was better under the communists, others of course won't, the farmers were paid a fair price paid for what they produced now with "market forces" that does not always happen. IMHO I like the freedom to make my own choices and say what I like, but one should not automatically assume that their way of life, or opinions, are the best for everyone, the world is made up of many people with very diverse cultures what suits one will not suit all of them.
Ted Ferenc wrote: I do not want to get too political, if you talk to people in Poland a lot will say life was better under the communists, others of course won't, the farmers were paid a fair price paid for what they produced now with "market forces" that does not always happen. True, but now if they have a few good years and work hard they can expand their farms and given enough time and effort (and luck) they can become farming moguls. The sky is their limit. Something they dared not even dream about under communism. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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Bitterman wrote: But more than likely, the Democrats won't plank up anyone that is willing to stand up to GWB. No matter what side you are on, I think this is agreed to right now. And no matter what side you are on I think this is not good for the US. Bitterman wrote: Gore would have won if he had ran again and just relaxed a bit. IMO this is a democratic dream. He could not relaxe and still carry the banner Clinton left him. Watched a show a few days ago about military blunders by the US during the Gulf War. It pointed out how much was attributed to Chenny's meddling. With those highlighted I feel he may be calling to many of the shots right now (or at least heavily influencing GW.) Chenny is the one I do not trust. "I will find a new sig someday."
I read something on a usenet newsgroup the other day and I share it here, the gentleman wrote "International politics resembles 7-year-old playground politics." Dave "Dak Lozar" Loeser When access is allowed to a member, it said to be accessible. Otherwise, it is inaccessible. - MSDN:C# Programmer's Reference
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Ted Ferenc wrote: I do not want to get too political, if you talk to people in Poland a lot will say life was better under the communists, others of course won't, the farmers were paid a fair price paid for what they produced now with "market forces" that does not always happen. True, but now if they have a few good years and work hard they can expand their farms and given enough time and effort (and luck) they can become farming moguls. The sky is their limit. Something they dared not even dream about under communism. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
At one time I would have agreed 100%, some will become moguls, the vast majority will have to leave their farms and move to the towns, assuming there is work for them there. I suppose I am and old 60's hippy i.e. you don't need money to live contentedly, a lot of "3rd" word cultures rely on subsistence farming, as long as that produces enough food for the people what is wrong with that? I don't think we should assume our "western" way of life is best. Is a television, DVD, Hi-FI, mobile phone, computer etc. neccesary for life? OK, yes, I do know a computer and net access is, but the rest?
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I'm not too certain that will be true in my country for very much longer. Amen. Did you hear about the guy in Oregon (or was it Washington) that got put in jail for making a joke in a bar about God creating a new "burning Bush"? (or something like that). Some truck driver overhead this guy, called the police, and now he's in jail for several years. Welcome back to the McCarthy era. And even worse, Bush's speeches are reminiscent of Hitler's regarding national security, the "invisible enemy", etc. Two more years, then maybe we can vote him out of office! Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: And even worse, Bush's speeches are reminiscent of Hitler's regarding national security, the "invisible enemy", etc. Two more years, then maybe we can vote him out of office! I'm still not on that side of things. Bush has not gone nearly as far as Abraham Lincoln did during the Civil War to control critics of his administration (ever hear of Habeus Corpus? (sp?)). I'm still a Bush supporter even though I don't like many of the decisions he has been compelled to make. As I've said many times, if we are unable to eliminate the threat of middle eastern terrorism by direct military action, what choice does the government have but to become ever more security minded regardless of the constitution? What else is Bush supposed to do? Besides, after 50 years of trashing the constitution, those on the left have no room to complain about Bush's administration. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: IMO this is a democratic dream. He could not relaxe and still carry the banner Clinton left him. Maybe Hillary would run? That would be entertaining - she can trot out the Vast Right-Wing Republican Conspericy again. :)
"Perhaps the truth is less interesting than the facts?" -- Amy Weiss, RIAA's Senior Vice President of Communications.
It's the new math! 421 == 156 !but, i think she may get more public approval than lieberman :-D My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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At one time I would have agreed 100%, some will become moguls, the vast majority will have to leave their farms and move to the towns, assuming there is work for them there. I suppose I am and old 60's hippy i.e. you don't need money to live contentedly, a lot of "3rd" word cultures rely on subsistence farming, as long as that produces enough food for the people what is wrong with that? I don't think we should assume our "western" way of life is best. Is a television, DVD, Hi-FI, mobile phone, computer etc. neccesary for life? OK, yes, I do know a computer and net access is, but the rest?
I just believe that everybody deserves the chance to make those decisions for themselves. Government should provide opportunities not limit them. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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"People willing to give up freedom for a little safety, deserve neither freedom nor safety." --Ben Franklin.
"Perhaps the truth is less interesting than the facts?" -- Amy Weiss, RIAA's Senior Vice President of Communications.
It's the new math! 421 == 156 !It's true, but it doesn't apply in this case (at least not yet). It's not giving up freedom for a little safety. I think the intent is to give up a little freedom for a lot more safety. Regards, Alvaro
Well done is better than well said. -- Benjamin Franklin (I actually prefer medium-well.)
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I just believe that everybody deserves the chance to make those decisions for themselves. Government should provide opportunities not limit them. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
Mike Mullikin wrote: I just believe that everybody deserves the chance make those decisions for themselves. Government should provide opportunities not limit them. Bravo! Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell
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Marc Clifton wrote: And even worse, Bush's speeches are reminiscent of Hitler's regarding national security, the "invisible enemy", etc. Two more years, then maybe we can vote him out of office! I'm still not on that side of things. Bush has not gone nearly as far as Abraham Lincoln did during the Civil War to control critics of his administration (ever hear of Habeus Corpus? (sp?)). I'm still a Bush supporter even though I don't like many of the decisions he has been compelled to make. As I've said many times, if we are unable to eliminate the threat of middle eastern terrorism by direct military action, what choice does the government have but to become ever more security minded regardless of the constitution? What else is Bush supposed to do? Besides, after 50 years of trashing the constitution, those on the left have no room to complain about Bush's administration. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
AFAIK from the press [which sadly may not be true], there were major lapses in implementing existing law that caused Sep. 11. Even with new laws, if not implemented properly, you can still have terrorists sneaking in while the laws are misused for personal ends. IMO, what matters more is strict implementation of existing laws rather than come up with a whole new set. I think GWB wants to send a message to the people abt the progress in making America more secure. The civil liberties issue is not trivial to be just tossed aside - and I think it is not appropriate to make it a democratic-republican issue either. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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I still support the little guy. I'll never have a leader I agree with 100%, they will all make errors, and if I recall it's not the president who inacts all the laws, but has to be voted on by Congress which is made up of Rep. and Dem. people are scared, and the most logical place to point the finger is the current leader, as though he actually has complete power. Comparing him with Hitler if a bunch of [soapbox expletive here]! He doesn't have answers to homeland security. Nobody does right now. So its easy to pick apart whatever he's trying to do. I don't hear anyone else raising their hands or taking the lead with some great new ideas. regarding foreign policy. It's always been US policy to further secure our position as THE globally dominant power. Just like any other nation who has the ability to do it would, we try to gain control over resources, whether through economic means, or playing off of local political troubles. Personally, I have not lost any freedoms to do what i want, yet. When I do, I'll be pissed off, and try to do something about it. [but Brian that will be too late?] I have a life to enjoy, friends, family, blah, blah, blah... I'm not going to give that up to fret about someone else, unless they are close to me, or I can actually make a difference fairly quickly. Sorry. My life is short. BW "If you enjoy what you do, you'll never work another day in your life." - Confucius
I agree that comparing with hitler is too much! But, actually people miss the argument here. I do not expect GWB to misuse the powers. But, someone who comes to power later down the line may not have the same moral fabric. My thoughts: The failure of 9/11 has been a failure of implemetation rather than the design of the system. If all the components of the security framework worked as per specification, the terrorists would not have succeeded. Maybe, there were flaws in design, and GWB wants to correct it. But, as we all know, new system designs can have other problems that may come to the fore only later on, once you try to deploy it. brianwelsch wrote: Personally, I have not lost any freedoms to do what i want, yet. When I do, I'll be pissed off, and try to do something about it. but, it should not be too late to act then. :-( So there you go. :-D My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers