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  • L Lost User

    wizardzz wrote:

    also a name given to cask ales.

    Other wise known as, 'cask ales', a far better name in that using the volume as the contents is possibly the most stupid thing I ever heard. Ever heard of of the new fuel for cars? It is called gallons... As for beer engines, I worked in the trade and I never heard that term used. Ever. It is a hand pump.

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    type "Angram beer" into google and see what the autocomplete is. Then look at the links and see how the UK manufacturer of hand pumps calls them engines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_engine[^] And according to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firkin[^] Casks in this size (themselves called firkins) are the most common container for cask ale. So firkin is also the term for the actual cask, so calling it a cask ale or firkin is equally idiotic then.

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      type "Angram beer" into google and see what the autocomplete is. Then look at the links and see how the UK manufacturer of hand pumps calls them engines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_engine[^] And according to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firkin[^] Casks in this size (themselves called firkins) are the most common container for cask ale. So firkin is also the term for the actual cask, so calling it a cask ale or firkin is equally idiotic then.

      "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.

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      wizardzz wrote:

      type "Angram beer" into google and see what the autocomplete is. Then look at the links and see how the UK manufacturer of hand pumps calls them engines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_engine[^]

      I am sure some one in the US wants to abuse a barrel size (that traditionally contained all sorts of products, not just beer) but I wont, thankyou. :) As for beerengines, it is a hand pump. ALways was, always will be. Never heard of beerengine, would piss myself laughing if I ever did hear it refered to as such.

      wizardzz wrote:

      Casks in this size (themselves called firkins) are the most common container for cask ale.
      So firkin is also the term for the actual cask, so calling it a cask ale or firkin is equally idiotic then.

      Yes. It is not a firkin. A firkin is a size of barrel. It is beer you are talking about. One that happens to be called Ale in English, and today, Real Ale to signify the traditiopnally brewed Ales. So, it is Ale. OK. :)

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        wizardzz wrote:

        type "Angram beer" into google and see what the autocomplete is. Then look at the links and see how the UK manufacturer of hand pumps calls them engines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_engine[^]

        I am sure some one in the US wants to abuse a barrel size (that traditionally contained all sorts of products, not just beer) but I wont, thankyou. :) As for beerengines, it is a hand pump. ALways was, always will be. Never heard of beerengine, would piss myself laughing if I ever did hear it refered to as such.

        wizardzz wrote:

        Casks in this size (themselves called firkins) are the most common container for cask ale.
        So firkin is also the term for the actual cask, so calling it a cask ale or firkin is equally idiotic then.

        Yes. It is not a firkin. A firkin is a size of barrel. It is beer you are talking about. One that happens to be called Ale in English, and today, Real Ale to signify the traditiopnally brewed Ales. So, it is Ale. OK. :)

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        You can call it whatever you want, and drink whatever it takes to make these girls attractive: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040260/Maciej-Dakowicz-Cardiff-After-Dark-binge-drinking-images-turned-Britain-laughing-stock.html#ixzz1Ynk8bmb8[^]

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          Not at all odd in my opinion. When you use CO2 to dispence the beer out of the keg, a lot of the CO2 solves into the beer making it more acidic. While a cask beer is actually losing some of the CO2 in the pumping process, giving the opposite effect.

          List of common misconceptions

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          Absoloutely. It is why hand pumped ales can be flat, and the vertical distance between the cellar and the pump crucial. You cant hand pump much over 3 meters or so.

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            You can call it whatever you want, and drink whatever it takes to make these girls attractive: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040260/Maciej-Dakowicz-Cardiff-After-Dark-binge-drinking-images-turned-Britain-laughing-stock.html#ixzz1Ynk8bmb8[^]

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            Rhys Gravell
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            You seem to have a bit of a fixation with these pic.'s. Is this the third or fourth time today you've posted a link?

            Rhys "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe"

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              You seem to have a bit of a fixation with these pic.'s. Is this the third or fourth time today you've posted a link?

              Rhys "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe"

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              wizardzz
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              Third time. I just can't get over it. I sent them to friends that live by me because I see something similar every weekend, but just not this bad. I might have to document the mess by me soon. Cool, now I know who is stalking me.

              "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.

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              • L Lost User

                Not that I have noticed. The kids are all on the alcopops.

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                Still making it in Northumberland[^] like sweet sherry, but smoother.

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                • W wizardzz

                  You can call it whatever you want, and drink whatever it takes to make these girls attractive: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040260/Maciej-Dakowicz-Cardiff-After-Dark-binge-drinking-images-turned-Britain-laughing-stock.html#ixzz1Ynk8bmb8[^]

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                  wizardzz wrote:

                  You can call it whatever you want, and drink whatever it takes to make these girls attractive

                  No, you are calling it whatever you want. I am calling it what it IS. :) firkin "small cask, fourth part of a barrel," late 14c., apparently from M.Du. *vierdekijn, dim. of vierde, lit. "fourth, fourth part" (see fourth). I never knew that.

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                  • L Lost User

                    I used to have a job selling real ale handling equipment into pubs, one of my many. There are an extraordinary number of small breweries in the UK producing some vey good beers. Theakstones was a favourite whan i was up north. Round Bristol the Witchwood brewery produced somne good beers too. There are of course too many to include, but above al London Pride for me hits all the right spots, and can be drunk in quantity. As I can vouch for, on many an occasion. :)

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                    Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                    You are aware that Theakstones is now just a name slapped on a Carsberg bitter? the people who used to make theakstones now make Black Sheep.

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                    • L Lost User

                      Absoloutely. It is why hand pumped ales can be flat, and the vertical distance between the cellar and the pump crucial. You cant hand pump much over 3 meters or so.

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                      Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                      Hand pumped ales flat? you must be a southerner no self respecting Pub would server flat beer regardless of source Hand pumps are fitted with restrictors (sprinklers) that cream the beer on deliverly to produce a creamy head that should last untill the pint is finished, if the head is gone before you finish it means either the beer is going off, it was badly pulled or kept or that your are darn sooth. although i find a lot of "new" bar staff cannot pull a pint for the life of them, they have a tendancy to undo the sprinkers, this makes the pint easier to pull but stops the head forming correctly or to pull so many time that they kill the head.

                      You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                      • B Bergholt Stuttley Johnson

                        Hand pumped ales flat? you must be a southerner no self respecting Pub would server flat beer regardless of source Hand pumps are fitted with restrictors (sprinklers) that cream the beer on deliverly to produce a creamy head that should last untill the pint is finished, if the head is gone before you finish it means either the beer is going off, it was badly pulled or kept or that your are darn sooth. although i find a lot of "new" bar staff cannot pull a pint for the life of them, they have a tendancy to undo the sprinkers, this makes the pint easier to pull but stops the head forming correctly or to pull so many time that they kill the head.

                        You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                        Not all beers or pumps use sparklers. They change the taste of the beer, as well as the size of the head.

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                          Not all beers or pumps use sparklers. They change the taste of the beer, as well as the size of the head.

                          Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                          Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                          not all beers? I do suppose bottle beers never used them ;) unless they are gravity taps I dont remember any hand pumps that didnt (although it has been a good few years since I worked behind a bar) even those in london had them even if they were never fitted. keg beer I will admit, never used them as you would have just ended up as foam as for the taste, I have never found anyone who prefered the taste of flat beer (or keg for that matter) to hand pulled

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                            not all beers? I do suppose bottle beers never used them ;) unless they are gravity taps I dont remember any hand pumps that didnt (although it has been a good few years since I worked behind a bar) even those in london had them even if they were never fitted. keg beer I will admit, never used them as you would have just ended up as foam as for the taste, I have never found anyone who prefered the taste of flat beer (or keg for that matter) to hand pulled

                            You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                            http://boakandbailey.com/2008/03/17/sparklers-whats-the-fuss-about-then/[^] http://robsbeerquest.blogspot.com/2011/03/sparkler-argument.html[^] http://www.beerbirrabier.com/2010/05/draft-beer-sparkler-debate.html[^] It does seem to be a North versus South thing in the main part.

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                              wizardzz wrote:

                              You can call it whatever you want, and drink whatever it takes to make these girls attractive

                              No, you are calling it whatever you want. I am calling it what it IS. :) firkin "small cask, fourth part of a barrel," late 14c., apparently from M.Du. *vierdekijn, dim. of vierde, lit. "fourth, fourth part" (see fourth). I never knew that.

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                              Wow a dictionary, go ahead and ignore any definition found elsewhere now.

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                                http://boakandbailey.com/2008/03/17/sparklers-whats-the-fuss-about-then/[^] http://robsbeerquest.blogspot.com/2011/03/sparkler-argument.html[^] http://www.beerbirrabier.com/2010/05/draft-beer-sparkler-debate.html[^] It does seem to be a North versus South thing in the main part.

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                                Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                                aye it could be, but as the south's brewing empires gave us keg bitter I am not sure Id trust thier judgement :laugh:

                                You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                                • B Bergholt Stuttley Johnson

                                  You are aware that Theakstones is now just a name slapped on a Carsberg bitter? the people who used to make theakstones now make Black Sheep.

                                  You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                                  Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:

                                  You are aware that Theakstones is now just a name slapped on a Carsberg bitter

                                  :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :((

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                                  • B Bergholt Stuttley Johnson

                                    Hand pumped ales flat? you must be a southerner no self respecting Pub would server flat beer regardless of source Hand pumps are fitted with restrictors (sprinklers) that cream the beer on deliverly to produce a creamy head that should last untill the pint is finished, if the head is gone before you finish it means either the beer is going off, it was badly pulled or kept or that your are darn sooth. although i find a lot of "new" bar staff cannot pull a pint for the life of them, they have a tendancy to undo the sprinkers, this makes the pint easier to pull but stops the head forming correctly or to pull so many time that they kill the head.

                                    You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                                    Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:

                                    Hand pumped ales flat?

                                    Well, I meant 'not fizzy', like keg lager. (And some ales can be so un fizzy they dont produce a creamy head, seriously. Perhaps souther ales arte different? ) See how thin the head is on a pint of London Pride: http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1271&bih=830&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=pint+of+london+pride&oq=pint+of+london+pride&aq=f&aqi=g-mS1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=9068l11003l0l11238l12l10l0l0l0l0l363l1436l0.1.4.1l6l0[^]

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                                    • W wizardzz

                                      Wow a dictionary, go ahead and ignore any definition found elsewhere now.

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                                      wizardzz wrote:

                                      Wow a dictionary, go ahead and ignore any definition found elsewhere now.

                                      I will, with impunity. :)

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                                        Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:

                                        You are aware that Theakstones is now just a name slapped on a Carsberg bitter

                                        :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :((

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                                        Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                                        dont cry, Paul Theakston sold Theakston to Carsberg Tetley moved over the road and set up black Sheep using the equipment from the Theakston's brewery (carsberg Tetley didnt want the brewing equipement) so Black Sheep is the old Theakston's bitter

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                                          Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:

                                          Hand pumped ales flat?

                                          Well, I meant 'not fizzy', like keg lager. (And some ales can be so un fizzy they dont produce a creamy head, seriously. Perhaps souther ales arte different? ) See how thin the head is on a pint of London Pride: http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1271&bih=830&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=pint+of+london+pride&oq=pint+of+london+pride&aq=f&aqi=g-mS1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=9068l11003l0l11238l12l10l0l0l0l0l363l1436l0.1.4.1l6l0[^]

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                                          Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                                          Its they way they pull up (in an Irish accent) What is supprising is that all the promo shots DO show a creamy 1 inch head

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