Star Trek v Star Wars
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Neither of them are science fiction. They both require FTL travel, which is impossible, therefore rendering them both within the confines of Fantasy.
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Neither of them are science fiction. They both require FTL travel, which is impossible, therefore rendering them both within the confines of Fantasy.
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Entirely disagree: ST is science fiction since it is of our universe whilst SW is not. Both forms can include elements of speculative fiction (like FTL which is thought, at present, to be impossible) but SW takes place in an alternate universe thereby rendering it fantasy rather than fiction.
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Entirely disagree: ST is science fiction since it is of our universe whilst SW is not. Both forms can include elements of speculative fiction (like FTL which is thought, at present, to be impossible) but SW takes place in an alternate universe thereby rendering it fantasy rather than fiction.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Neither of them are science fiction. They both require FTL travel, which is impossible, therefore rendering them both within the confines of Fantasy.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
which is impossible
Not quite. Folding space may very well be possible and may allow travelling faster than light without violating relativity. The problem is that this would be a very destructive process which requires the energy equivalent of a star mass. It's at the moment (and for any forseeable future) not even remotely possible for us to obtain such an amount of energy or put it to any use. And in this one case it was fiction that inspired physicists to take a look if there might be any science in it. The 'confines of Fantasy' appear to be a moving target :)
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
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But doesn't Ensteins Theory allow the Warp Bubble. So since Star Trek uses the warp bubble it is fiction not fantasy lol :laugh:
No. It allows for a warp in Space/Time, but not a warp bubble. Once the bubble was established it would cease to exist with our universe of space/time.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
which is impossible
Not quite. Folding space may very well be possible and may allow travelling faster than light without violating relativity. The problem is that this would be a very destructive process which requires the energy equivalent of a star mass. It's at the moment (and for any forseeable future) not even remotely possible for us to obtain such an amount of energy or put it to any use. And in this one case it was fiction that inspired physicists to take a look if there might be any science in it. The 'confines of Fantasy' appear to be a moving target :)
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse.Er.... YOU CANNOT TRAVEL FASTER THAN LIGHT. Ok By bending space you may give the appearance of travelling a distance greater than light would have travelled in the same time, but this was done by travelling a shorter distance, not by travelling faster. Geddit?
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Entirely disagree: ST is science fiction since it is of our universe whilst SW is not. Both forms can include elements of speculative fiction (like FTL which is thought, at present, to be impossible) but SW takes place in an alternate universe thereby rendering it fantasy rather than fiction.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Are you saying alternate universes aren't real? There are some very eminent physicists who might disagree with you there... :laugh:
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Are you saying alternate universes aren't real? There are some very eminent physicists who might disagree with you there... :laugh:
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
To think that in every dimension, every possibility is played out -- hell, there's probably a really, really weird dimension where you're better-looking than me.
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Which one is better? There is only one way to find out: FIGHT![^] For me, it's Star Wars [IV - VI].
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Which one is better? There is only one way to find out: FIGHT![^] For me, it's Star Wars [IV - VI].
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Of course it's not Star Trek. My CP avatar is Yoda not a freakin' Tribble.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Er.... YOU CANNOT TRAVEL FASTER THAN LIGHT. Ok By bending space you may give the appearance of travelling a distance greater than light would have travelled in the same time, but this was done by travelling a shorter distance, not by travelling faster. Geddit?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Calm down mate and watch your home video[^]
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Er.... YOU CANNOT TRAVEL FASTER THAN LIGHT. Ok By bending space you may give the appearance of travelling a distance greater than light would have travelled in the same time, but this was done by travelling a shorter distance, not by travelling faster. Geddit?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
If you mean that you cannot travel over more space than light in any given time, then yes. But it may be able to fold space, creating a shortcut. The problem is, that the only known way to distort space is in the vicinity of a large mass (or, due to E = mc^2, the mass equivalent in energy). To put it very simple: Imagine space like a long carpet. When you stand at one end, you could fold it so that you can reach the other end with a single step. Space would be 'elastic' and resume it's original shape once you eliminate the influence that folded it.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse. -
To think that in every dimension, every possibility is played out -- hell, there's probably a really, really weird dimension where you're better-looking than me.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
you're better-looking than me
Everyone is better looking than you...
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Fair point although it was long time ago and a galaxy far, far away...
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Which one is better? There is only one way to find out: FIGHT![^] For me, it's Star Wars [IV - VI].
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Ok... this is really a different league... honestly, Ms. Fisher and Mr. Shatner... how old are you? (I really would like to see, if Leia dumps Solo for Kirk... we currently have a rerun of TOS, and it's quite amazing, how often Kirk got a female in hold :laugh: ) PS: Star Trek rules
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Of course it's not Star Trek. My CP avatar is Yoda not a freakin' Tribble.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Ok... this is really a different league... honestly, Ms. Fisher and Mr. Shatner... how old are you? (I really would like to see, if Leia dumps Solo for Kirk... we currently have a rerun of TOS, and it's quite amazing, how often Kirk got a female in hold :laugh: ) PS: Star Trek rules
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Yep, Kirk got all the girls, could defeat any Klingon (or Romulan or monster of the week) and had the neat ability of talking computers into commiting suicide.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse. -
Yep, Kirk got all the girls, could defeat any Klingon (or Romulan or monster of the week) and had the neat ability of talking computers into commiting suicide.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse. -
Kirk vs. (Vader & Deathstar)...
Hey, Anakin, you look familiar... your mother... she's from Tatooine, right? Mr. Spock, when have we been there?
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Which one is better? There is only one way to find out: FIGHT![^] For me, it's Star Wars [IV - VI].
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Star Trek is a vision of a better future through scientific enlightenment. Star Wars is about magic powers and religious metaphors. There's no comparison between the two franchises so the entire discussion is pointless, but Star Trek is obviously better.
Giraffes are not real.
