Star Trek v Star Wars
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For my money, Star Trek was the more ground breaking for the time of it's release. It also had more stories than special effects. It had to really - it didn't have a budget the size of Star Wars. Would Star Wars have been made if Star Trek hadn't been so popular? Dunno - most studios won't risk that kind of money on the off chance.
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Was the original Star-Trek series (The best one in my opinion) a success: It was after-all cancelled in its fourth year? Anyway, Star-Wars was based on the Kurosawa's movie Hidden Fortress and not on Star-Trek. By the way the budget for episodes of Star-Trek - The Next Generation reached over a million dollars per episode? In the question of Star Wars vs Star-Trek its got to be Star Wars (4-6) as (1-3 were rubbish and I don't consider them to be part of the series). Star-Trek TNG, DSN were rubbish. It was a soap opera that happened to be set in space? Even Babylon 5 was better than Star-Trek!
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Neither of them are science fiction. They both require FTL travel, which is impossible, therefore rendering them both within the confines of Fantasy.
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If impossible things make it fantasy then there would not be science fiction, it would all be called fantasy. Isn't fantasy more about myth and magic and assigning impossible 'powers' to people and creatures? E.g. 'Heroes' or 'The 4400' is fantasy, ST is science fiction and SW is borderline with this 'force' and all...
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Strictly speaking isn't it more along the lines of 'Is science fiction or science fantasy better?'. They are both excellent in very different ways.
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Excellent point but aren't both sufficiently advanced technology? One merely presumes to have sufficiently advanced mental capabilities. But even Star Trek has had episodes of super-evolved humans (ie. floating orbs of light) so Id say one is agnostic and one is enlightened. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 3rd law of Clarke's three laws
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No. It allows for a warp in Space/Time, but not a warp bubble. Once the bubble was established it would cease to exist with our universe of space/time.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Once the bubble was established it would cease to exist with our universe of space/time.
And become part of it again once it bursts?
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In what way is it not ST? You've got Worf and O'Brien transferred from the Enterprise, the Federation, Klingons, Cardassians, Romulans etc.
Pete
in the way that it was awful. Pedestrian, hackneyed, sterile and soulless. Shallow characters, dull enemies and pointless plots. DS9 should be deleted from the ST canon.
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Fair point although it was long time ago and a galaxy far, far away...
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Which one is better? There is only one way to find out: FIGHT![^] For me, it's Star Wars [IV - VI].
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Erm lets see ... when did you ever see a light saber on "stun" .....
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Neither of them are science fiction. They both require FTL travel, which is impossible, therefore rendering them both within the confines of Fantasy.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
They both require FTL travel, which is impossible
People said the same thing before, about the earth being round.
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But dont Neutrino's travel faster than the speed of light? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236
It's still controversial. There's a lot of room for mistake in this case. In any case, to me "not yet" is just as good of an answer to something deemed impossible.
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Which one is better? There is only one way to find out: FIGHT![^] For me, it's Star Wars [IV - VI].
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
No brainer for me! Star Wars all the way baby! :D I don't dislike Star Trek, but it never quite got my attention like Star Wars did when I was a kid :)
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In what way is it not ST? You've got Worf and O'Brien transferred from the Enterprise, the Federation, Klingons, Cardassians, Romulans etc.
Pete
Also, the Alternative Universe in DS9 is the same AU that Kirk went to in TOS. Their history is badly affected by the influence that Kirk had on their culture whilst he was there. My favourite ST series was 'Enterprise' - shame it was cancelled before the plot lines could be developed. :-O
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Which one is better? There is only one way to find out: FIGHT![^] For me, it's Star Wars [IV - VI].
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
I fail to comprehend your indignation, sir. I've simply made the logical deduction that you are a liar.
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Also, the Alternative Universe in DS9 is the same AU that Kirk went to in TOS. Their history is badly affected by the influence that Kirk had on their culture whilst he was there. My favourite ST series was 'Enterprise' - shame it was cancelled before the plot lines could be developed. :-O
Yeah, took me a while to get into 'Enterprise' cause it didn't have all the cool technology, but I was really enjoying it be the time it ended.
Pete
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Which one is better? There is only one way to find out: FIGHT![^] For me, it's Star Wars [IV - VI].
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
