Hard disk and reliability
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Empirically, and without any real research, I think it does make sense. Think about it, most things fail when you turn them on. When was the last time a light bulb blew while you were reading? As opposed to the last time you turned it on and it went "Plink" and flashed before dying?
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Yes, I've got the same feeling, mechanical stress seems higher with power cycling, however since I learned that colder hard disks are less reliable than hotter ones, I'm a little bit less confident in my intuition :)
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KaЯl wrote:
What is your experience on this in the real life
My PC at home runs 24/7. Since circa 1993, I have only had 2 drives die on me.
You've been running the same PC since 1993 ? Don't you think it's time for an upgrade ? :-D
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You've been running the same PC since 1993 ? Don't you think it's time for an upgrade ? :-D
When I was a coder, we worked on algorithms. Today, we memorize APIs for countless libraries — those libraries have the algorithms - Eric Allman
No - he has developed a technique of hot-swapping processors!
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No - he has developed a technique of hot-swapping processors!
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Now there's an article worth reading :laugh:
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No - he has developed a technique of hot-swapping processors!
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Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Found on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss/Stress_Control[^] "Based on professional experience of system administrators, it is believed that there is a direct relationship between the number of power cycles of a computer and the probability of failure of its drives. In other words, a computer with a high uptime may have a lower probability of drive failure than one that has its power cycled routinely." Question is, is this a cliché, or is this a verified assertion? What is your experience on this in the real life, outside the testing labs? And more generally, did you make any correlation between a human behavior and computer reliability? (punching the hardware excepted :) )
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I've just replaced my boot drive with an SSD and my data drive with a hybrid, and the machine goes like the proverbial off a shovel. :-D
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So he has learnt the secret art of the del Icatessen.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Have you been reading Truckers, Diggers and Wings again?
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Found on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss/Stress_Control[^] "Based on professional experience of system administrators, it is believed that there is a direct relationship between the number of power cycles of a computer and the probability of failure of its drives. In other words, a computer with a high uptime may have a lower probability of drive failure than one that has its power cycled routinely." Question is, is this a cliché, or is this a verified assertion? What is your experience on this in the real life, outside the testing labs? And more generally, did you make any correlation between a human behavior and computer reliability? (punching the hardware excepted :) )
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Personal experience as a former system administrator confirms this. But I would even say that it's not the power cycling that it the problem, but lack of usage. In Sweden many companies basically shut down during July as most employees have their vacation then. But the servers remain on. Despite this I've noticed that we we had most server HDD failures during the first week after vacation ends, and all other failures after Christmas. For your second question: yes. Moving the computer while HDD is reading or writing is a mistake.
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Have you been reading Truckers, Diggers and Wings again?
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I confess. I am currently reading The Bromeliad.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I confess. I am currently reading The Bromeliad.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
"It wasn't a thing, it was a bit of shaped sky" Oh yes - I remember that feeling when I first saw Concorde during wing reliability testing on a school trip!
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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Found on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss/Stress_Control[^] "Based on professional experience of system administrators, it is believed that there is a direct relationship between the number of power cycles of a computer and the probability of failure of its drives. In other words, a computer with a high uptime may have a lower probability of drive failure than one that has its power cycled routinely." Question is, is this a cliché, or is this a verified assertion? What is your experience on this in the real life, outside the testing labs? And more generally, did you make any correlation between a human behavior and computer reliability? (punching the hardware excepted :) )
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That's not surprising. Very much like your car's engine, a hard drive operates at a certain temperature and the parts have worn in to work with the least possible amount of friction. Changes in temperature cause the material to deform and when the drive starts, it's cold and the parts do not have that perfect fit. The differences are very small, but until it has reached its operating temperature the parts will be worn out far more than during normal operation.
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Found on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss/Stress_Control[^] "Based on professional experience of system administrators, it is believed that there is a direct relationship between the number of power cycles of a computer and the probability of failure of its drives. In other words, a computer with a high uptime may have a lower probability of drive failure than one that has its power cycled routinely." Question is, is this a cliché, or is this a verified assertion? What is your experience on this in the real life, outside the testing labs? And more generally, did you make any correlation between a human behavior and computer reliability? (punching the hardware excepted :) )
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
Temperature cycling is a large part of stress testing equipment, particularly electro mechanical. Part of this is differential thermal epxansion of different materials which creates stress between them.
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Found on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss/Stress_Control[^] "Based on professional experience of system administrators, it is believed that there is a direct relationship between the number of power cycles of a computer and the probability of failure of its drives. In other words, a computer with a high uptime may have a lower probability of drive failure than one that has its power cycled routinely." Question is, is this a cliché, or is this a verified assertion? What is your experience on this in the real life, outside the testing labs? And more generally, did you make any correlation between a human behavior and computer reliability? (punching the hardware excepted :) )
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
In my experience hard disks are very reliable devices: the only one stopped working was a 2.5" external one that fell down from a shelf at about 1.5 m (another one survived such a shock) above the ground.
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"It wasn't a thing, it was a bit of shaped sky" Oh yes - I remember that feeling when I first saw Concorde during wing reliability testing on a school trip!
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OriginalGriff wrote:
during wing reliability testing on a school trip!
You got to test Concorde's wing when you were at school? I got play-dough.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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OriginalGriff wrote:
during wing reliability testing on a school trip!
You got to test Concorde's wing when you were at school? I got play-dough.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Well, if you had passed your 11-plus... :laugh:
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Found on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss/Stress_Control[^] "Based on professional experience of system administrators, it is believed that there is a direct relationship between the number of power cycles of a computer and the probability of failure of its drives. In other words, a computer with a high uptime may have a lower probability of drive failure than one that has its power cycled routinely." Question is, is this a cliché, or is this a verified assertion? What is your experience on this in the real life, outside the testing labs? And more generally, did you make any correlation between a human behavior and computer reliability? (punching the hardware excepted :) )
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
Long time no see - hi KaЯl! :D How's life?
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Long time no see - hi KaЯl! :D How's life?
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Well, if you had passed your 11-plus... :laugh:
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I'm too young for the 11-plus; I missed it by a year or so.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I'm too young for the 11-plus; I missed it by a year or so.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
I'm too young for the 11-plus
You get through a lot of gin for a ten-year-old.
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Hi Peter! It's good to see old faces here :) Still addict, aren't you? ;)
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