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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    No - he has developed a technique of hot-swapping processors!

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    Wayne Gaylard
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    Now there's an article worth reading :laugh:

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      No - he has developed a technique of hot-swapping processors!

      Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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      Nagy Vilmos
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      So he has learnt the secret art of the del Icatessen.


      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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      • K KaRl

        Found on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss/Stress_Control[^] "Based on professional experience of system administrators, it is believed that there is a direct relationship between the number of power cycles of a computer and the probability of failure of its drives. In other words, a computer with a high uptime may have a lower probability of drive failure than one that has its power cycled routinely." Question is, is this a cliché, or is this a verified assertion? What is your experience on this in the real life, outside the testing labs? And more generally, did you make any correlation between a human behavior and computer reliability? (punching the hardware excepted :) )

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        I've just replaced my boot drive with an SSD and my data drive with a hybrid, and the machine goes like the proverbial off a shovel. :-D

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          So he has learnt the secret art of the del Icatessen.


          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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          OriginalGriff
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          Have you been reading Truckers, Diggers and Wings again?

          Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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          • K KaRl

            Found on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss/Stress_Control[^] "Based on professional experience of system administrators, it is believed that there is a direct relationship between the number of power cycles of a computer and the probability of failure of its drives. In other words, a computer with a high uptime may have a lower probability of drive failure than one that has its power cycled routinely." Question is, is this a cliché, or is this a verified assertion? What is your experience on this in the real life, outside the testing labs? And more generally, did you make any correlation between a human behavior and computer reliability? (punching the hardware excepted :) )

            When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?

            Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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            Jorgen Andersson
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            Personal experience as a former system administrator confirms this. But I would even say that it's not the power cycling that it the problem, but lack of usage. In Sweden many companies basically shut down during July as most employees have their vacation then. But the servers remain on. Despite this I've noticed that we we had most server HDD failures during the first week after vacation ends, and all other failures after Christmas. For your second question: yes. Moving the computer while HDD is reading or writing is a mistake.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Have you been reading Truckers, Diggers and Wings again?

              Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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              Nagy Vilmos
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              I confess. I am currently reading The Bromeliad.


              Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                I confess. I am currently reading The Bromeliad.


                Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                OriginalGriff
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                "It wasn't a thing, it was a bit of shaped sky" Oh yes - I remember that feeling when I first saw Concorde during wing reliability testing on a school trip!

                Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                • K KaRl

                  Found on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss/Stress_Control[^] "Based on professional experience of system administrators, it is believed that there is a direct relationship between the number of power cycles of a computer and the probability of failure of its drives. In other words, a computer with a high uptime may have a lower probability of drive failure than one that has its power cycled routinely." Question is, is this a cliché, or is this a verified assertion? What is your experience on this in the real life, outside the testing labs? And more generally, did you make any correlation between a human behavior and computer reliability? (punching the hardware excepted :) )

                  When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?

                  Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                  That's not surprising. Very much like your car's engine, a hard drive operates at a certain temperature and the parts have worn in to work with the least possible amount of friction. Changes in temperature cause the material to deform and when the drive starts, it's cold and the parts do not have that perfect fit. The differences are very small, but until it has reached its operating temperature the parts will be worn out far more than during normal operation.

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                  • K KaRl

                    Found on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss/Stress_Control[^] "Based on professional experience of system administrators, it is believed that there is a direct relationship between the number of power cycles of a computer and the probability of failure of its drives. In other words, a computer with a high uptime may have a lower probability of drive failure than one that has its power cycled routinely." Question is, is this a cliché, or is this a verified assertion? What is your experience on this in the real life, outside the testing labs? And more generally, did you make any correlation between a human behavior and computer reliability? (punching the hardware excepted :) )

                    When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?

                    Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                    Temperature cycling is a large part of stress testing equipment, particularly electro mechanical. Part of this is differential thermal epxansion of different materials which creates stress between them.

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                    • K KaRl

                      Found on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss/Stress_Control[^] "Based on professional experience of system administrators, it is believed that there is a direct relationship between the number of power cycles of a computer and the probability of failure of its drives. In other words, a computer with a high uptime may have a lower probability of drive failure than one that has its power cycled routinely." Question is, is this a cliché, or is this a verified assertion? What is your experience on this in the real life, outside the testing labs? And more generally, did you make any correlation between a human behavior and computer reliability? (punching the hardware excepted :) )

                      When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?

                      Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                      In my experience hard disks are very reliable devices: the only one stopped working was a 2.5" external one that fell down from a shelf at about 1.5 m (another one survived such a shock) above the ground.

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        "It wasn't a thing, it was a bit of shaped sky" Oh yes - I remember that feeling when I first saw Concorde during wing reliability testing on a school trip!

                        Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        during wing reliability testing on a school trip!

                        You got to test Concorde's wing when you were at school? I got play-dough.


                        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                          during wing reliability testing on a school trip!

                          You got to test Concorde's wing when you were at school? I got play-dough.


                          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                          Well, if you had passed your 11-plus... :laugh:

                          Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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                          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                          • K KaRl

                            Found on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss/Stress_Control[^] "Based on professional experience of system administrators, it is believed that there is a direct relationship between the number of power cycles of a computer and the probability of failure of its drives. In other words, a computer with a high uptime may have a lower probability of drive failure than one that has its power cycled routinely." Question is, is this a cliché, or is this a verified assertion? What is your experience on this in the real life, outside the testing labs? And more generally, did you make any correlation between a human behavior and computer reliability? (punching the hardware excepted :) )

                            When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?

                            Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                            Long time no see - hi KaЯl! :D How's life?

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                              Long time no see - hi KaЯl! :D How's life?

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                              Hi Peter! It's good to see old faces here :) Still addict, aren't you? ;)

                              When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                Well, if you had passed your 11-plus... :laugh:

                                Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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                                Nagy Vilmos
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                                I'm too young for the 11-plus; I missed it by a year or so.


                                Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                                  I'm too young for the 11-plus; I missed it by a year or so.


                                  Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                                  Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                                  I'm too young for the 11-plus

                                  You get through a lot of gin for a ten-year-old.

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                                  • K KaRl

                                    Hi Peter! It's good to see old faces here :) Still addict, aren't you? ;)

                                    When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?

                                    Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                                    Addicted? What do you mean? It's just a website.... only a web site.... only... the only...

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