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You don't disagree with her you disagree with who she is. Hate what you want but at least be honest about it.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
And stop twisting peoples words and stop claiming people are doing something they're not.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
I cannot agree with the first part of your post but as you say different topic. Wrong place too.
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
Think gene therapy or some such. Why wouldn't it be curable? If someone desired to change that and the technology were available, why not? Why would that not be just as acceptable as a sex change operation?
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Think gene therapy or some such. Why wouldn't it be curable? If someone desired to change that and the technology were available, why not? Why would that not be just as acceptable as a sex change operation?
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunAs I said to ryanb31 this ain't the place for this sort of discussion but you might want to start from examining whether homosexuality is something 'curable' I don't want to put words in your mouth/keyboard but you seem to be suggesting that it is some form of illness. I don't think that it is and since neither of us is likely to move from our position it is fruitless to discuss it further. :)
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
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I didn't say what your views of homosexuality were. It's quite obvious that you think it's ok, and that you approve of a group that pressured Komen to supply funds to abort babies. It's quite obvious that you think ill of a group (you called them zealots, a pejorative term) that is attempting to pressure JC Penney to fire someone because of their "lifestyle". It's clear you think they should be silenced. You are correct that having Ellen Degeneres as a spokesperson and Abortion are not the same thing. What is the same is that these two groups should be allowed to voice their opinions freely and not be attacked and demonized for thinking differently. You are a hypocrite and a bigot.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunBigot? I think not!
ahmed zahmed wrote:
allowed to voice their opinions
With their usual threats of boycotts, etc. In my world, that goes beyond voicing of opinions. What is more ironic than a 'right to lifer' sniping at people entering an abortion clinic - or even more mildly, knocking down pregnant women! I'm not blind to the pressure put on the Komen foundation by those who said they'd no longer donate to them if they persist in their scheme. The targeting of Planned Parenthood (in particular) has long been a favorite of the vocal components of the right. The decision of the previously referred to infestation of Komen's board by those who subvert its reason for being for their own political agenda outweighed the that. How so? Because donors gave money for optimization of detecting breast cancer in women - and here we have active efforts to reduce the effectiveness for purely political purposes: woman who may lose a breast - or their life? Just collateral damage for their incredibly perverse concept of a greater good. What I see here is that you may have a strong cultural bias against (1) abortion, and (2) homosexuality. I have my own religious and cultural bias' - but my upbringing also enables me to compartmentalize my beliefs, even isolating them, when it's for the greater civic good.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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As I said to ryanb31 this ain't the place for this sort of discussion but you might want to start from examining whether homosexuality is something 'curable' I don't want to put words in your mouth/keyboard but you seem to be suggesting that it is some form of illness. I don't think that it is and since neither of us is likely to move from our position it is fruitless to discuss it further. :)
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
I actually wasn't suggesting that it was any form of "illness". But there are some who say it's in the genes, hence my suggestion of gene therapy, if gene therapy ever becomes available or desirable. But you are probably right that it would be a fruitless discussion.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Bigot? I think not!
ahmed zahmed wrote:
allowed to voice their opinions
With their usual threats of boycotts, etc. In my world, that goes beyond voicing of opinions. What is more ironic than a 'right to lifer' sniping at people entering an abortion clinic - or even more mildly, knocking down pregnant women! I'm not blind to the pressure put on the Komen foundation by those who said they'd no longer donate to them if they persist in their scheme. The targeting of Planned Parenthood (in particular) has long been a favorite of the vocal components of the right. The decision of the previously referred to infestation of Komen's board by those who subvert its reason for being for their own political agenda outweighed the that. How so? Because donors gave money for optimization of detecting breast cancer in women - and here we have active efforts to reduce the effectiveness for purely political purposes: woman who may lose a breast - or their life? Just collateral damage for their incredibly perverse concept of a greater good. What I see here is that you may have a strong cultural bias against (1) abortion, and (2) homosexuality. I have my own religious and cultural bias' - but my upbringing also enables me to compartmentalize my beliefs, even isolating them, when it's for the greater civic good.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
And liberals boycott as well, again hypocrisy. Why is it ok for them and not for someone else? I agree wholeheartedly that with your comment about a 'right to lifer' sniping at people, even killing. I only brought in the Komen situation as comparable on the right to voice and agitate for one's position and opinions. As the left certainly did there (and got what they wanted -- kudos to them). I'm just asking for fair, equal treatment. Something the "Occupiers" are always screaming and agitating about, but unwilling to give. Talk about ironic, the Occupiers are hurting the very people they claim to "represent". I've not stated my position on homosexuality nor abortion.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Again, I disagree with what she does. Disagree and hate are very different. Stop hating on me for disagree with her.
She is a lesbian. It's not what she does, it is not a choice, it is who she is. If you have a complete and fundamental dislike of homosexuality then you hate it. Not my fault how words work. I don't hate you for hating her. I just think you are very silly. Silly things sometime make me smile, sometimes a bit sad. Often they're just a mild distraction in idle moments.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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She is a lesbian. It's not what she does, it is not a choice, it is who she is. If you have a complete and fundamental dislike of homosexuality then you hate it. Not my fault how words work. I don't hate you for hating her. I just think you are very silly. Silly things sometime make me smile, sometimes a bit sad. Often they're just a mild distraction in idle moments.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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She is a lesbian. It's not what she does, it is not a choice, it is who she is. If you have a complete and fundamental dislike of homosexuality then you hate it. Not my fault how words work. I don't hate you for hating her. I just think you are very silly. Silly things sometime make me smile, sometimes a bit sad. Often they're just a mild distraction in idle moments.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Disliking homosexuality and disliking an individual who is homosexual are not one and the same. Disagreeing with the practice of homosexuality does not equate to hating someone who practices homosexuality.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Bill O'Reilly standing up for Ellen DeGeneres[^] Worth watching :thumbsup: It's about JC Penny, who have chosen Ellen Degeneres as their spokesperson. One Million Moms, a mathematically-challenged group of 40,000 bored, whiny stay-at-home pastors’ wives really hate the gays. So they called for a boycott - and received a close down for their facebook group page.
regards Torsten When I'm not working
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Dislike and hate are not the same thing. Where do you come up with this stuff? Either way, 1) I dislike the choices she has made, 2) I do not hate her, 3) She does have a choice in her sexuality.
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Hate is nothing more than a strong dislike.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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I didn't say anything was wrong with it.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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Think gene therapy or some such. Why wouldn't it be curable? If someone desired to change that and the technology were available, why not? Why would that not be just as acceptable as a sex change operation?
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braunahmed zahmed wrote:
Why wouldn't it be curable?
Why should it be?
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Again, I disagree with what she does. Disagree and hate are very different. Stop hating on me for disagree with her.
If god "hates" sin and homosexuality is a sin then god hates homosexuality, whether the behavior or the person is not the question here. If you are a follower of god then you must "hate" the same things god hates. God does not "disagree" with sin, he "hates" it. So call an apple an apple. I am not in any way insinuating that you hate the person, by the way.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
Why wouldn't it be curable?
Why should it be?
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
Why not?
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
If god "hates" sin and homosexuality is a sin then god hates homosexuality, whether the behavior or the person is not the question here. If you are a follower of god then you must "hate" the same things god hates. God does not "disagree" with sin, he "hates" it. So call an apple an apple. I am not in any way insinuating that you hate the person, by the way.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
Very well put.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun