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You say you exist because you are self-aware. Everyone in the matrix thought they existed, thought they were self-aware, but they weren't. The matrix is silly but my point is you do not have proof for what you believe. I have heard all of the rebuttals. I get downvoted all the time in this forum for believing in God, which is fine, and in other forums I am praised for believing in God. This group is quite godless for some reason. The proof is simple. Open your eyes, it is everywhere. It is not possible for the universe and everything to have been created from nothing. It was created from God. However, for you to accept that you must understand how spiritual things work. Spiritual proof is both intellectual and in the heart. Godless people are strictly intellectual types (not necessarily intelligent) so they can NEVER understand anything spiritual, even the most basic concepts, such as God existing. You will never understand God until you first understand what your relationship with Him is. It would be like me trying to teach you calculus without you even understanding addition and subtraction. It would be impossible. So, I give you the physical proof of everything and you chose to deny it. If you had an open heart, then we could continue on in the proof of spiritual items, but until then, there is no point.
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Answering to yourself is just as important (if not more IMO) than anyone (or any"thing" else)
" So, you are the supreme being? How nice not to have to answer to anyone else. You can make up your own rules and whatever you do is right because there is no one and nothing higher? Wish I could convince myself to think that way.
ryanb31 wrote:
So, you are the supreme being?
That's not what he said. You missed his point. These sorts of replies on every post I've seen you put in this thread is why you get downvoted.
ryanb31 wrote:
How nice not to have to answer to anyone else
That's not what he said either. If you could read between the lines a little bit. You could actually interpret it to be something that christians understand quite well and agree with.
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You can make up your own rules and whatever you do is right because there is no one and nothing higher?
Not what he said either Try not to be combative all the time, and people will stop downvoting you.
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I was not insulting you and I am sorry you took it that way. I was simply making a comparison that I hoped you would understand. Just because my points of view are different, they are not insults and they are not arrogant. You continue to insult me and to put me down and then cry when you feel I have done that to you. Seems a bit hypocritical.
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So, how exactly do you receive these interpretive revelations from the Spirit. How does it relay it's information to you? Do you hear his voice in your head? Do you just "know" when he speaks to you? If so, how can you possibly know the difference between the spirit and your own thoughts?
As I stated, you do not understand the Spirit so you cannot understand anything regarding this. "
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I pretty much can guarantee you I know as much about these things as you do
" This is laughable. You have no idea who I am. However, as I stated before, you cannot begin to pretend to understand anything about God until you understand who He is and your relationship with him. This is not an insult, but my 3 year old knows more about this than you do because he understands he is a child of God. He understands the nature of God. Since you do not, you have nothing.
ryanb31 wrote:
As I stated, you do not understand the Spirit so you cannot understand anything regarding this.
Nothing but a cop-out. If you read the last paragraph again, you'll see that I do understand "the spirit", and for you to say otherwise, is nothing but judgemental foolery.
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you cannot begin to pretend to understand anything about God
Still passing judgement. Tsk! Tsk! Now you're telling me I wasn't a "real" christian back in the day?
ryanb31 wrote:
my 3 year old knows more about this than you
The delusion runs deep in you it does.
ryanb31 wrote:
he understands he is a child of God. He understands the nature of God.
ryanb31 wrote:
This is laughable
You said it...
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Certainly, right now. But, ultimately, if we want to survive as a race: no.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Yeah, I got it. I was just making fun. Yes it is nice to think it might one day come to pass. If we don't try, then it never will.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Once you start quoting the bible and god and involve religion I withdraw from the conversation. As an agnostic I refuse to get involved in what I consider complete drivel.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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ryanb31 wrote:
I get downvoted all the time in this forum for believing in God
It's not for believing in god, it's your attitude.
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ryanb31 wrote:
I see much worse go on in here.
If you can find "much worse" that has gone without being down voted, please show us them. It is blanket statements like this that irritate people. If you are going to make a statement, back it up, please. Without backing it up, this last post or yours even carries a sense of arrogance.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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The real answer for abortion is being morally responsible about sex in the first place. People (men and women) need to understand that the choice is made at the time of intercourse that you will be responsible for the potential outcome: life. (Even if you're using contraception, a pregnancy is still possible. Contraception is not 100% foolproof.) Don't have sex until you're ready and able to be responsible for the possible outcome. Hence, no need for abortion to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. Don't rape women (indeed, don't rape anyone). Hence, no need for abortion because of rape. Don't have sex with your children (just another form of rape). Hence, no need for abortion because of incest. Don't have sex with someone you're not supposed to. Hence, no need for abortion because of adultery or licentious behavior. That leaves only abortion for the life & health of the mother. A relatively rare instance. In many cases, the mother would rather give her life (my wife included). Do I believe this is possible, yes. Do I believe it probable, no. Still that's the only real, viable solution. Wanton killing of babies because you are irresponsible and life is inconvenient is not a moral choice, is not a moral stance.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunThat's all fine and good but it does nothing to address the parking problem. More abortions today means more open parking spaces in the future. Doesn't matter how the pregnancy happened. Think of the future, think of being able to find a parking space, and to the right thing. ;P
Kill some time, play my game Hop Cheops[^]
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You and the others do not understand God, your relationship with Him, who Christ is, what the Bible is, you are not Christian and we are supposed to go with your interpretation of Holy Scripture? How would you feel if a Project Manager tried to interpret a C# book for you? You have contradicted yourself. We can go on and on but the point is none of you have even the basic understanding of who God is therefore you cannot even begin to understand Holy writ authored by Him such as the Bible. Yes, the Bible was translated by men, not prophets, so we cannot take everything directly as written. We need to also have the Spirit to understand, which is where all of you fail. I have provided plenty of evidence to support my point, you simply refuse to accept it. And if you had any evidence to contradict me, I would refuse it as well because it would be wrong. We are at an impasse. I never expected anyone in this forum to believe what I was saying. I just want you all to remember that not everyone in the world thinks like you. It just seems the loudest people in this forum are the left-wing, liberal, anti-god, atheist, anarchist types. I am simply reminding everyone that there are other people that do not believe the same thing so they are not in a delusion that their opinion is shared by everyone. I wouldn't waste my time trying to teach a 3 year old calculus, nor am I going to try and teach you the advanced concepts of the gospel, until you understand the foundation.
Back again? I really must check for 'junk' emails more regularly.
ryanb31 wrote:
You and the others do not understand God, your relationship with Him, who Christ is, what the Bible is, you are not Christian and we are supposed to go with your interpretation of Holy Scripture?
One does not need to be a follower of Jehoshua to read the and understand the Old Testament. A reading of the History & Mythology of the Middle East is all that is required to establish the nature of YHWH.
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How would you feel if a Project Manager tried to interpret a C# book for you?
Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: Proverbs 9:9 Your arrogance - again. How could a mere Project Manager ever have C# skills greater than a Coder?
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You have contradicted yourself.
I concur with Marcus Kramer.
ryanb31 wrote:
We can go on and on but the point is none of you have even the basic understanding of who God is therefore you cannot even begin to understand Holy writ authored by Him such as the Bible.
I cannot speak for the others, of course, but I do know the nature of the OT 'Holy Writ'. It is a complex and entertaining (except for the 'begats') amalgam of pagan myths, pagan religious law, poetry, and history.
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Yes, the Bible was translated by men, not prophets, so we cannot take everything directly as written.
And, prior to the Bible, the Torah had been frequently redacted and revised. God alone knows what he said to Moses.
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We need to also have the Spirit to understand
How much 'Spirit' did it take to convince you that:
[2]Thou shalt speak all that I command thee; and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he let the children of Israel go out of his land; [3]and I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt. [4]But Pharaoh will not hearken unto you, and I will lay My hand upon Egypt, and bring forth My hosts, My people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt, by great judgements. Exodus 7
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Back again? I really must check for 'junk' emails more regularly.
ryanb31 wrote:
You and the others do not understand God, your relationship with Him, who Christ is, what the Bible is, you are not Christian and we are supposed to go with your interpretation of Holy Scripture?
One does not need to be a follower of Jehoshua to read the and understand the Old Testament. A reading of the History & Mythology of the Middle East is all that is required to establish the nature of YHWH.
ryanb31 wrote:
How would you feel if a Project Manager tried to interpret a C# book for you?
Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: Proverbs 9:9 Your arrogance - again. How could a mere Project Manager ever have C# skills greater than a Coder?
ryanb31 wrote:
You have contradicted yourself.
I concur with Marcus Kramer.
ryanb31 wrote:
We can go on and on but the point is none of you have even the basic understanding of who God is therefore you cannot even begin to understand Holy writ authored by Him such as the Bible.
I cannot speak for the others, of course, but I do know the nature of the OT 'Holy Writ'. It is a complex and entertaining (except for the 'begats') amalgam of pagan myths, pagan religious law, poetry, and history.
ryanb31 wrote:
Yes, the Bible was translated by men, not prophets, so we cannot take everything directly as written.
And, prior to the Bible, the Torah had been frequently redacted and revised. God alone knows what he said to Moses.
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We need to also have the Spirit to understand
How much 'Spirit' did it take to convince you that:
[2]Thou shalt speak all that I command thee; and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he let the children of Israel go out of his land; [3]and I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt. [4]But Pharaoh will not hearken unto you, and I will lay My hand upon Egypt, and bring forth My hosts, My people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt, by great judgements. Exodus 7
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ryanb31 wrote:
If you do not believe in the Bible then why are you trying to use it against me?
The Old Testament is a complex and entertaining (except for the 'begats') amalgam of pagan myths, pagan religious law, poetry, and history. The Jewish people have preserved it, with redactions and revisions, over time. So, there it is, and it says what it says. I don't have to believe what it says in order to correct anyone who states that it says something different.
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
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ryanb31 wrote:
If you do not believe in the Bible then why are you trying to use it against me?
The Old Testament is a complex and entertaining (except for the 'begats') amalgam of pagan myths, pagan religious law, poetry, and history. The Jewish people have preserved it, with redactions and revisions, over time. So, there it is, and it says what it says. I don't have to believe what it says in order to correct anyone who states that it says something different.
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
The Bible is not only a historical record, it is also scriptural and spiritual. Therefore, you cannot use history or intellect alone to interpret it. Unless you understand the spiritual side as well, you are just like a project manager trying to teach developers C# code. (I use project manager as the example because in my experience they do not understand anything about code but think they know how to get a project done.)
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That's all fine and good but it does nothing to address the parking problem. More abortions today means more open parking spaces in the future. Doesn't matter how the pregnancy happened. Think of the future, think of being able to find a parking space, and to the right thing. ;P
Kill some time, play my game Hop Cheops[^]
LOL. Yeah, think of the parking spaces and then don't do IT!
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
The Bible is not only a historical record, it is also scriptural and spiritual. Therefore, you cannot use history or intellect alone to interpret it. Unless you understand the spiritual side as well, you are just like a project manager trying to teach developers C# code. (I use project manager as the example because in my experience they do not understand anything about code but think they know how to get a project done.)
ryanb31 wrote:
The Bible is not only a historical record, it is also scriptural mythical and spiritual poetical.
As well as containing pagan religious law.
ryanb31 wrote:
Unless you understand the spiritual side
Which I do.
ryanb31 wrote:
I use project manager as the example because in my experience they do not understand anything about code but think they know how to get a project done.)
Tough.
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
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ryanb31 wrote:
The Bible is not only a historical record, it is also scriptural mythical and spiritual poetical.
As well as containing pagan religious law.
ryanb31 wrote:
Unless you understand the spiritual side
Which I do.
ryanb31 wrote:
I use project manager as the example because in my experience they do not understand anything about code but think they know how to get a project done.)
Tough.
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
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Ironic how you say the Bible is not spiritual and then claim to understand the spiritual side. Until you have a foundation, there is no point in trying to explain to you.
ryanb31 wrote:
Ironic how you say the Bible is not spiritual and then claim to understand the spiritual side.
Well spotted. My point being, I do understand the spiritual side, because I have a 'soul'. The text is more than just the literal meaning discerned by the intellect, it is also evocative, speaking directly to the 'soul'. Meaning that is above mere words. That is the nature of poetry.
ryanb31 wrote:
The Bible is not only a historical record, it is also scriptural and spiritual.
- The Bible is ... scriptural. Bible: A book or collection of writings. scriptural: Written or relating to writing. Tautology, even had you used Scriptural. Scriptural: of, in accordance with, or based on Scripture. 2) The Bible is ... spiritual. Spiritual: Of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things. Well, duh, it's a Holy Book. Mythical and poetical, better description.
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Until you have a foundation, there is no point in trying to explain to you.
Myself when young did eagerly frequent Doctor and Saint, and heard great Argument About it and about; but evermore Came out by the same Door as in I went. And I know that you are not in their league.
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
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ryanb31 wrote:
Ironic how you say the Bible is not spiritual and then claim to understand the spiritual side.
Well spotted. My point being, I do understand the spiritual side, because I have a 'soul'. The text is more than just the literal meaning discerned by the intellect, it is also evocative, speaking directly to the 'soul'. Meaning that is above mere words. That is the nature of poetry.
ryanb31 wrote:
The Bible is not only a historical record, it is also scriptural and spiritual.
- The Bible is ... scriptural. Bible: A book or collection of writings. scriptural: Written or relating to writing. Tautology, even had you used Scriptural. Scriptural: of, in accordance with, or based on Scripture. 2) The Bible is ... spiritual. Spiritual: Of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things. Well, duh, it's a Holy Book. Mythical and poetical, better description.
ryanb31 wrote:
Until you have a foundation, there is no point in trying to explain to you.
Myself when young did eagerly frequent Doctor and Saint, and heard great Argument About it and about; but evermore Came out by the same Door as in I went. And I know that you are not in their league.
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
I am not sure why you claim to understand the spiritual side of it. For starters, if you did, you would know it is absolute absurdity to suggest that God condones or even demands rape. You can't understand the spiritual side if you don't even believe in God, for it is His spirit we are talking about.
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I am not sure why you claim to understand the spiritual side of it. For starters, if you did, you would know it is absolute absurdity to suggest that God condones or even demands rape. You can't understand the spiritual side if you don't even believe in God, for it is His spirit we are talking about.
ryanb31 wrote:
it is absolute absurdity to suggest that God condones or even demands rape.
So you cannot reconcile 'Abba' with 'YHWH'? The loving, forgiving god with the vengeful, wrathful, jealous god who could say:
[2]Thou shalt speak all that I command thee; and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he let the children of Israel go out of his land; [3]and I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt. [4]But Pharaoh will not hearken unto you, and I will lay My hand upon Egypt, and bring forth My hosts, My people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt, by great judgements. Exodus 7
with Jehoshua's loving Dad? But Jehoshua means 'YHWH is salvation', so sit down, take a deep breath, shut your eyes, clench your fists, clench your buttocks and believe! It is all in the Holy Bible, and must be true.
ryanb31 wrote:
You can't understand the spiritual side if you don't even believe in God
Spirituality exists independently of religion, and thus, gods. (Gods don't exist without a religion, you know, spirituality does.)
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
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ryanb31 wrote:
it is absolute absurdity to suggest that God condones or even demands rape.
So you cannot reconcile 'Abba' with 'YHWH'? The loving, forgiving god with the vengeful, wrathful, jealous god who could say:
[2]Thou shalt speak all that I command thee; and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he let the children of Israel go out of his land; [3]and I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt. [4]But Pharaoh will not hearken unto you, and I will lay My hand upon Egypt, and bring forth My hosts, My people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt, by great judgements. Exodus 7
with Jehoshua's loving Dad? But Jehoshua means 'YHWH is salvation', so sit down, take a deep breath, shut your eyes, clench your fists, clench your buttocks and believe! It is all in the Holy Bible, and must be true.
ryanb31 wrote:
You can't understand the spiritual side if you don't even believe in God
Spirituality exists independently of religion, and thus, gods. (Gods don't exist without a religion, you know, spirituality does.)
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon