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  • P Pete OHanlon

    Heck, I was writing Unix scripts before you were born.

    *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

    "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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    Dalek Dave
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    It's a shame Henry isn't here He could tell us of his days poking holes in cards!

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      Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

      --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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      Jochen Arndt
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      I do so occasionally using GNU utilities for Windows (UnxUtils).

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      • D Dalek Dave

        Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

        --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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        Alberto Bar Noy
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        I call them .cmd files but I use them a lot.

        Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)

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        • D Dalek Dave

          Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

          --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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          hairy_hats
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          Not for a good long while, anything more than a directory listing and I write a program.

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          • D Dalek Dave

            Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

            --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            Indubitably. And I still spend most of my day in a DOS box.

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            • D Dalek Dave

              Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

              --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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              David Crow
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              Dalek Dave wrote:

              Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files?

              I do. In some ways, they can't be beat.

              "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

              "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

              "Show me a community that obeys the Ten Commandments and I'll show you a less crowded prison system." - Anonymous

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              • L Lost User

                A makefile is nothing more than a batch file with a command line to call the compiler for each source file, then one or more command lines calling the linker and perhaps some commands to deploy or copy the results. An IDE usually lets you edit all kinds of compiler and linker options and then generates the makefile from the contents of your project and those options. Or you can simply write the makefile yourself with any simple editor like wordpad. You just have to know how to call the compiler and linker and what options and parameters your compiler needs or supports. It's just like writing command lines in the console. The makefile only saves you from typing all this every time you want to build your project. I guess, all this should be documented in the compiler's and linker's documentation. Edit: Usually the compiler includes some tool to process the makefile. My simple C compiler for old 8 bit machines does not, so I use plain vanilla .BAT files, which does not really make much of a difference. Whenever I want to build my project, I simply call something like 'make.bat' at the command line and look what kind of results I get in the in the console. Edit^2: I just dug this[^] out in MSDN. It describes how to build from the command line with makefiles and NMAKE. NMAKE is a little more powerful than a simple batch and the commands are not simple command lines anymore, but it's still very much the same idea.

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                Mike Hankey
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                The IDE uses gcc for compiling and linking but the makefile is really a generic file used to build the code. The problem I have is understanding the commands. For some reason haven't been able to wrap my little brain around it.

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                • D Dalek Dave

                  Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

                  --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                  wizardzz
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                  Working on one right now actually. They use em at my new job, but in all fairness, there is a lot of batch processing being done.

                  "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson

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                  • D Dalek Dave

                    Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

                    --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                    R Giskard Reventlov
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                    If I have a small repetative task I'll whip up a cmd file. Why not? Simple is best.

                    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                    • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                      The IDE uses gcc for compiling and linking but the makefile is really a generic file used to build the code. The problem I have is understanding the commands. For some reason haven't been able to wrap my little brain around it.

                      VS2010/AVR Studio 5.0 ToDo Manager Extension

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                      Lost User
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                      It's really just a batch job, compiling each source file with the options you want. The results (usually .obj files) are then bound to gether by the linker, again using the linking options you specify. The result should be some kind of executable. The rest of the makefile just deals with finding the required libraries, cleaning up or deplaying your compiled executable to whereever you want to have it. It's really just a simple script to describe the build process. Don't let all those options or fancy (but not really important) features like including other makefiles confuse you. Just take a look at the gcc documentation and try it step by step with a very simple test project with, let's say, two source file. Once you have that working, you can go on and try out all kinds of options to see what effect they have.

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                      • D Dalek Dave

                        Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

                        --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                        gavindon
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                        I have been known to write one or two. and I have not been in the IT business all that long..they just have their uses and if it aint broke, don't fix it.

                        It used to be what you know that got you ahead, then it was who you know, now its what you know about who you know that gets you ahead. Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow. You can't scare me, I have children.

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                        • D Dalek Dave

                          It's a shame Henry isn't here He could tell us of his days poking holes in cards!

                          --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                          richard_k
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                          Heh.. first job at a large computer firm I had was writing job decks and algol programs at Unisys. With punch cards! Cards were on their way out when I did this.. but you could still find folks with large card decks on their desks.

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                          • D Dalek Dave

                            Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

                            --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                            richard_k
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                            I do, but I'm from fogey land just like you. To date I've written in bash, Korn shell, sh, .bat for windows, perl, etc.. just so much.. and that is just the scripting I've done (less than 1% of my total time at my job). At one time I knew all the intricacies.. but that is going on 15 years ago now.. my current most used would be bash... but I still find cause to occasionally write a short .bat script for automation of compilations, etc. (just last year actually).

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                            • D David Crow

                              Dalek Dave wrote:

                              Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files?

                              I do. In some ways, they can't be beat.

                              "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                              "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                              "Show me a community that obeys the Ten Commandments and I'll show you a less crowded prison system." - Anonymous

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                              richard_k
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                              .bat files + the scheduler in later versions of windows is perfect for a lot of tasks..

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                              • P Pete OHanlon

                                Heck, I was writing Unix scripts before you were born.

                                *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                                "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                                My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                                CPallini
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                                That means you liked more Unix scripts than the feeder bib.

                                Veni, vidi, vici.

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                                • D Dalek Dave

                                  Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

                                  --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                                  clientSurfer
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                                  At my current job I'm having to alot of "bridging" work between .NET and a couple of Linux servers running MySQL, PHP and java. Believe you me in order to accomplish this I have to pull out all sorts of old tricks from up my sleeve: .bat files, PowerShell, bash scripts, baling wire and spit - everything short of polling some mounted volume on a mainframe at regular intervals to pickup some "flag file" that gets left there! WCF? P'shaw :laugh:

                                  "... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute  "...who gives a tinker's cuss?" - Dalek Dave  "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon   It's plain that they do not yet know what true fear really is. - JSOP 2011

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                                  • D Dalek Dave

                                    Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

                                    --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                                    GenJerDan
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                                    All the time. Well, a lot of the time. And .cmd files (which are close enough, right?)

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                                    • D Dalek Dave

                                      Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

                                      --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                                      Chris Losinger
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                                      i do. shell scripts, and VBS scripts and .JS scripts, too. whatever it takes.

                                      image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                                      • D Dalek Dave

                                        Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

                                        --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                                        Steve Mayfield
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                                        I wrote and used one just yesterday - to compare the differences between two different project source file directories :thumbsup: I almost always have one or more cmd windows open on my desktop.

                                        Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am

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                                        • D Dalek Dave

                                          Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?

                                          --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                                          Brisingr Aerowing
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                                          I use .bat files sometimes. Usually when I am writing a java program over the course of several shutdowns and startups and unexpected crashes (not too often), and don't want to type the compile and run commands over and over and over and over and over and ... well, you get the idea.

                                          C#: public void GetOffOfTheComputer(){ throw new System.NotImplementedException(); } VB: Public Sub GetOffTheComputer() Throw New NotImplementedException() End Sub

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