Programming Question
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A makefile is nothing more than a batch file with a command line to call the compiler for each source file, then one or more command lines calling the linker and perhaps some commands to deploy or copy the results. An IDE usually lets you edit all kinds of compiler and linker options and then generates the makefile from the contents of your project and those options. Or you can simply write the makefile yourself with any simple editor like wordpad. You just have to know how to call the compiler and linker and what options and parameters your compiler needs or supports. It's just like writing command lines in the console. The makefile only saves you from typing all this every time you want to build your project. I guess, all this should be documented in the compiler's and linker's documentation. Edit: Usually the compiler includes some tool to process the makefile. My simple C compiler for old 8 bit machines does not, so I use plain vanilla .BAT files, which does not really make much of a difference. Whenever I want to build my project, I simply call something like 'make.bat' at the command line and look what kind of results I get in the in the console. Edit^2: I just dug this[^] out in MSDN. It describes how to build from the command line with makefiles and NMAKE. NMAKE is a little more powerful than a simple batch and the commands are not simple command lines anymore, but it's still very much the same idea.
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The IDE uses gcc for compiling and linking but the makefile is really a generic file used to build the code. The problem I have is understanding the commands. For some reason haven't been able to wrap my little brain around it.
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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The IDE uses gcc for compiling and linking but the makefile is really a generic file used to build the code. The problem I have is understanding the commands. For some reason haven't been able to wrap my little brain around it.
It's really just a batch job, compiling each source file with the options you want. The results (usually .obj files) are then bound to gether by the linker, again using the linking options you specify. The result should be some kind of executable. The rest of the makefile just deals with finding the required libraries, cleaning up or deplaying your compiled executable to whereever you want to have it. It's really just a simple script to describe the build process. Don't let all those options or fancy (but not really important) features like including other makefiles confuse you. Just take a look at the gcc documentation and try it step by step with a very simple test project with, let's say, two source file. Once you have that working, you can go on and try out all kinds of options to see what effect they have.
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
If I have a small repetative task I'll whip up a cmd file. Why not? Simple is best.
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I have been known to write one or two. and I have not been in the IT business all that long..they just have their uses and if it aint broke, don't fix it.
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--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I do, but I'm from fogey land just like you. To date I've written in bash, Korn shell, sh, .bat for windows, perl, etc.. just so much.. and that is just the scripting I've done (less than 1% of my total time at my job). At one time I knew all the intricacies.. but that is going on 15 years ago now.. my current most used would be bash... but I still find cause to occasionally write a short .bat script for automation of compilations, etc. (just last year actually).
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files?
I do. In some ways, they can't be beat.
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Heck, I was writing Unix scripts before you were born.
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
At my current job I'm having to alot of "bridging" work between .NET and a couple of Linux servers running MySQL, PHP and java. Believe you me in order to accomplish this I have to pull out all sorts of old tricks from up my sleeve: .bat files, PowerShell, bash scripts, baling wire and spit - everything short of polling some mounted volume on a mainframe at regular intervals to pickup some "flag file" that gets left there! WCF? P'shaw :laugh:
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
i do. shell scripts, and VBS scripts and .JS scripts, too. whatever it takes.
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I wrote and used one just yesterday - to compare the differences between two different project source file directories :thumbsup: I almost always have one or more cmd windows open on my desktop.
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I use .bat files sometimes. Usually when I am writing a java program over the course of several shutdowns and startups and unexpected crashes (not too often), and don't want to type the compile and run commands over and over and over and over and over and ... well, you get the idea.
C#: public void GetOffOfTheComputer(){ throw new System.NotImplementedException(); } VB: Public Sub GetOffTheComputer() Throw New NotImplementedException() End Sub
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
Been there, do that fairly regularly. Our automated build process is a combination of an MFC GUI front end, a VBScript script, several batch files, and our tool chain (Visual Studio, Inno Setup, Nero, etc.). The batch files are useful for redirecting output to build logs. It sounds horrible, but it's a case of applying the right tool for each job in the process. I also use batch files for a number of administrative things, scheduled tasks, and so on.
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
There are lot :) Mostly to copy files from FTP
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I have been known to write the odd .bat file, as well as PowerShell scripts.
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Me too have adopted powershell. It's funny that my first fun with computers started with batch files.. It's also funny how I came to computer science growing up in a remote country side area where a computer was not available within the perimeter of 7 km. I collected a book of norton which introduced me to computers.. I was just imagining how computers look like.. how different components work and how I will deal with this magnificent invention if I stand face to face. :) A year later I bought a book of DOS and my .bat started.
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I do sometimes. When you want to push out a few commands to a batch of XP PC's through LogMeIn Central it's hard to beat a .bat file for ease, simplicity and compatability(powershell not always installed).
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I still find use and write one once a week or so just on my dev machine. I use powershell on the servers.
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Who (apart from my good self) still writes .bat files? Are they common or am I one of the old fogies that still employs his DOS knowledge?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I still use them as part of scripting the installation builder process. (That process also uses Shell Scripts on Linux and Mac, ANT and - this is really shameful ;) - NSIS) I've learned a lot of magic about .bat files that I never expected them to be able to do!