10 Reasons Why Visual Basic is Better Than C#
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Actually, they aren't the same. VB.net was created with backwards compatibility with VB 6.0, with in mind, some ugly things happens (some of these VB programmers like), like the automatic type conversion, the rounding of integers, the internal VB functions, and the list goes long. The first version of .net, come in times when the Java are becoming popular between desktops and Delphi are going to be the most used language to desktop programming. Microsoft created "a plus" for the VB 6 programmers and introduced its brand new language, the C#. As a experienced VB.net and C# programmer (and ok, Delphi too), I rather say that VB is one of the worst languages I know. His apparently easy syntax do any people think they can develop, and almost all programmers that use VB.net as his primary languages aren't good programmers at all. This is my opinions, you can start offending my mother now. :D
sergio_ykz wrote:
VB.net was created with backwards compatibility with VB 6.0
Nope. That's not true (at least in my opinion).
sergio_ykz wrote:
This is my opinions, you can start offending my mother now.
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I really don't understand the C# vs VB antagonism. If you're a professional programmer, you should be able to code in both languages with same ease. When C# people roar out against VB, they're being plain childish. As are the VB people when they claim that they don't understand C#.... I code in both languages and like them both!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932Johnny J. wrote:
If you're a professional programmer, you should be able to code in both languages with same ease.
Why? While they both target the same CLR, the syntax of the two languages is sufficiently different that while you may be able to code in one fluently, you might find the other more complicated. This has nothing to do with being a professional programmer. I don't dislike VB.NET, nor do I particularly like it. I am ambivalent towards it - if it had never been created, I wouldn't have felt the need to bemoan it; but similarly I don't feel the need to bemoan its existence. As my background is C/C++, the syntax of C# feels more natural to me, but I fully appreciate that it feels alien to a VB.NET programmer. That doesn't mean they aren't of the same standard as me, it just means they are familiar with a different syntax.
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Anything is more useful than the (type)object of C# beyond the most basic typecasting. Delphi's type(object) and VB's CType(object,type) leaves us something that can be followed by a dot at least.
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The last reason, involving extending arrays, shouldn't be relevant. If you're wasting time extending arrays instead of manipulating a generic list, and then calling List.ToArray() (or List(of T).ToArray() if you insist on VB) when you're done manipulating the collection's contents and need to return the array, then you're probably doing it wrong.
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It seems to me that C# devs should be getting on with coding instead of spending their time moaning about us VB guys. At the end of the day its the front end that matters to a customer.
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What really matters is getting paid. If I get paid the same amount per hour either way to use C# or VB, then I'll keep my preferences (C#) to myself and give the client his money's worth.
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I love VB as a language. I also completely agree with the IntelliSense thing... C# IntelliSense is a disaster if you're used to VB. For example: Typing VB: Dim ex As ExcepR... Oops, backspace, tab and it's there. Typing C#: ExcepR... Oops, backspace, no IntelliSense window pops up, either four times backspace or Shift + Home + Delete/Backspace. If you're lucky you don't have to switch to a new line to get IntelliSense support again! This becomes really very frustrating when you got code like obj.Property1.Property2.Property3... However, one reason NOT to use VB...
Form1.Text = "What the? Since when is Text a Shared/static Property!?"
The answer to that question is: Since VB1. And it's still there for 'backwards compatibility' (the compiler does create an instance though) :) So much for Object Orientism. Another one is the default of Option Strict Off. I've seen 'modern' VB code that used the horrible Form1.Text thing and Option Strict Off... You'll never see that in C#. Of course bad code can be written in both languages and with that philosophy in mind I don't really care which language I write. I just slightly prefer VB for IntelliSense and Event Handling in WinForms (that guy is so right about that!) :)
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}I spent a year doing VB.net in Visual Studio and the Intellisense/autocomplete drove me nuts -- it kept deleting stuff I'd already typed. :mad: It never does that with C#.
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Here[^] Now, where was that bulletproof vest? <Takes cover under a fireproof blanket> A bulletproof vest can take at least one 45ACP, right?
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Now, where was that bulletproof vest?
I don't think that will be enough. You may consider moving to a deep bunker. About the article: 1 - Of those 10 reasons, mostly are unfounded and gives a pretty good impression that the author is very inexperienced on the subject he's writing about. 2 - For the same reason above, I get goose bumps when I inherit VB.Net code from a VB.Net developer. Not that VB.Net developers are inherently inexperienced, but I see far more bad VB.Net code than bad C# code. 3 - I'd say there are a hundred reasons why C# is better than VB.Net.
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s = ((string) o).Trim()There are the extra parentheses mentioned by me above.
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I sincerely hope checked and the article is satire. If it isn't, the guy's I wrote the following because I'm an idiot: 1. Writing software well is a matter of attention to details. If you can't be arsed to even get the name of something right, you're probably going to screw up more important things. 2. If you're going to criticize a language, at least get your examples right. His C# code doesn't duplicate the logic in his VB. 3. Learn how your IDE works, moron. I can assign events in my C# code any time I like, and I'm using VS2008. 4. These are operators, which I would expect to be concise. Can you imagine writing this:
proportion = openquantity openquantity a addto b addto c addto d closequantity dividedby e closequantity multipliedby 100
instead of
proportion = ((a + b + c + d) / e) * 100
Secondly, programming is symbol manipulation. As in my response to #1, if you can't get this right, there are a whole bunch of other things you won't get right. 5. Sigh. Snippets in the IDE. The guy's like a carpenter who has to be told how to use a hammer every morning. 6. They's in the bloody CLR library. In 30 years of programming, not once have I needed to use the mortgage payment function. As far as 'is number' goes, I do localized applications. The library functions for validating localized numbers are usually inept. The .NET versions are actually pretty good, from what I've seen. They seem to work well for common number formats found in the U.S., Europe, and Asia. 7. VB's line continuation character is as annoying as Pascal's use of the semicolon as a statement separator. It's a special case you have to remember all of the time. At least with the C-style languages, you just put the semicolon at the end of every statement. Period. 8. To-may-toe, To-mah-toe. 9. VB encourages you to be sloppy. Once again, point #1. 10. C# gives you a whole lot more control over data structure transformations. With a language that encourages sloppiness, I wouldn't expect it to handle this kind of thing in a fashion that performed well.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary Wheeler wrote:
you just put the semicolon at the end of every statement. Period.
Even after a compound statement? :-D
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s = ((string) o).Trim()Anyway, it can be more interesting, defeating intellisense a bit longer: int _ownerid = ((dsApartmentHouse.OwnerLookupRow)((DataRowView)OwnerLookupBindingSource.Current).Row).OwnerId;
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
you just put the semicolon at the end of every statement. Period.
Even after a compound statement? :-D
Sigh. I thought I felt a petard-wedgie coming on. Well, at least it's harmless if you do.
Software Zen:
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Actually that was the reason I rejected learning c# when .net first came out. Intellisense now makes the issue irrelevant but a VB dev loathes the fact that the IDE does not format the variable name after typing, it is a form of validation that was very useful.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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True, but it's my most used feature of my most used IDE. And this feature works for VB, but doesn't (or at least not good enough to my taste) for C# :)
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}Naerling wrote:
And this feature works for VB, but doesn't (or at least not good enough to my taste) for C# :)
I have exactly the opposite opinion.
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I do love the fact that a bunch of developers including myself read this article and took it seriously, but upon reading it again I noticed this at the top of the article. Andy ‘Wise Owl’ Brown decided to write a tongue-in-cheek rant whilst he could still remember the pain-points.
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I'm glad someone noticed. :thumbsup: The reaction from most people in the forum is actually quite worrying
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I sincerely hope checked and the article is satire. If it isn't, the guy's I wrote the following because I'm an idiot: 1. Writing software well is a matter of attention to details. If you can't be arsed to even get the name of something right, you're probably going to screw up more important things. 2. If you're going to criticize a language, at least get your examples right. His C# code doesn't duplicate the logic in his VB. 3. Learn how your IDE works, moron. I can assign events in my C# code any time I like, and I'm using VS2008. 4. These are operators, which I would expect to be concise. Can you imagine writing this:
proportion = openquantity openquantity a addto b addto c addto d closequantity dividedby e closequantity multipliedby 100
instead of
proportion = ((a + b + c + d) / e) * 100
Secondly, programming is symbol manipulation. As in my response to #1, if you can't get this right, there are a whole bunch of other things you won't get right. 5. Sigh. Snippets in the IDE. The guy's like a carpenter who has to be told how to use a hammer every morning. 6. They's in the bloody CLR library. In 30 years of programming, not once have I needed to use the mortgage payment function. As far as 'is number' goes, I do localized applications. The library functions for validating localized numbers are usually inept. The .NET versions are actually pretty good, from what I've seen. They seem to work well for common number formats found in the U.S., Europe, and Asia. 7. VB's line continuation character is as annoying as Pascal's use of the semicolon as a statement separator. It's a special case you have to remember all of the time. At least with the C-style languages, you just put the semicolon at the end of every statement. Period. 8. To-may-toe, To-mah-toe. 9. VB encourages you to be sloppy. Once again, point #1. 10. C# gives you a whole lot more control over data structure transformations. With a language that encourages sloppiness, I wouldn't expect it to handle this kind of thing in a fashion that performed well.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary Wheeler wrote:
I sincerely hope checked and the article is satire. If it isn't, the guy's I wrote the following because I'm an idiot:
That just earned you a five.:thumbsup: But it means that you're in a minority in this forum. :sigh:
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
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What really matters is getting paid. If I get paid the same amount per hour either way to use C# or VB, then I'll keep my preferences (C#) to myself and give the client his money's worth.
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Matthew Graybosch wrote:
If I get paid the same amount per hour either way to use C# or VB, then I'll keep my preferences (C#) to myself and give the client his money's worth.
What you get paid has nothing to do with the quality of the work, the difficulty involved or anything else. It has everything to do with how good a salesman you are and how dumb the customer is. I had a friend who was able to bill dBase IV programmers at $120 an hour (in 1996) to generate sales analysis reports. At the same time, my friend with a PhD in Computer Science was eking out $50 an hour from iCompany for writing communications code in C. And every quarter, iCompany would produce record profits and promptly cut his rate to $35 so that the next quarter's results would look even better. Do you get $120 an hour for C#? :-D PS. The story is even better. The guy who was doing dBase IV programming sold essentially the same system (with very minor modifications) to 7 different companies in Silicon Valley and so his billing rate was about 7 x $120 ($840) an hour because be billed every company all the development time for the software.
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>> VB syntax smells horribly Amen to that! Since my last job, maintaining a legacy VB6 app, and a very sloppy one at that, I've not even touched a line of VB code, .NET or otherwise, and I'm a happier camper for it. That was almost 3-years ago and I've never looked back.
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Anything is more useful than the (type)object of C# beyond the most basic typecasting. Delphi's type(object) and VB's CType(object,type) leaves us something that can be followed by a dot at least.
You can use the as operator:
object a = "test";
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I've worked extensively with both. I prefer C# because of my years working with brace-based languages. However, the snobbery that real C# enthusiasts exhibit toward VB.NET programmers is also misplaced in my opinion.
_beauw_ wrote:
However, the snobbery that real C# enthusiasts exhibit toward VB.NET programmers is also misplaced in my opinion.
I agree, various dialects of BASIC, including VB, paid my bills for several decades. That said, I've viewed VB.NET as an abortion, bringing the worse attributes of VB across the divide and few or the advantages. You are talking to the same objects, just with different control structures. I found C# a bit more concise,
int i=0;
vs.
Dim i as Integer = 0
I remember when Dim meant Dimension Array, not Define Variable Type (and maybe declare it an array) that MS gerrymandered into the language. I do miss For...Next, you immediately knew what the control variable was, where it starts, ends, and increments. I hate C's
for(maybe I'll declare a control variable;something that equates to true or false;maybe I'll increment the correct variable)
I've dealt with too many coders who thought that since they code something too clever for words (and many times themselves) who have not followed the convention because the compiler did not force them to. I made the decision that my team's development language would be C#.NET instead of VB.NET, and I HATE C, but C#.NET was OK.
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Here[^] Now, where was that bulletproof vest? <Takes cover under a fireproof blanket> A bulletproof vest can take at least one 45ACP, right?
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
I write in both VB.NET and C#. When I want to do something fast, I usually pick VB because some of the features (like the Select Case statement vs. the Switch statement) allow a lot of logic to be written quickly. When I need to engineer something carefully, especially what I call "graduate-school algorithms", I usually choose C# because I still think in C. As to which is a "better" language, well, I leave that to the rest of you nutbags my fellow developers with stronger opinions ;)
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