Visual Studio 11 Monochrome
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I was engrossed in my project, so I have not noticed the beta yet. This is surely an April Fool, isn't it. X|
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I was engrossed in my project, so I have not noticed the beta yet. This is surely an April Fool, isn't it. X|
Sadly not. The Beta was released too long ago to be an April Fools prank.
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
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I'm not sure it will do any good. I posted a lengthy list of bugs in Visual Studio 11 that I found in less than a half hour of testing and Microsoft deleted them. Given just how unstable Visual Studio 2010 is in blatantly obvious (and reported) ways, I honestly don't think Microsoft gives a damn. I'm working on an "agile" project now and not giving a damn seems to be the centerpiece of this methodology; simply shipping something, anything, is all that matters. I am horrified at the compromises I've had to make all in the name of a "sprint." (Point being that Microsoft appears to be hooked on Agile.) End rant.
MS are anything but agile (in the true sense of the word, not a buzzword). The whole VS release schedule screams BUFD and Waterfall to me.
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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Sadly not. The Beta was released too long ago to be an April Fools prank.
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
Henry Minute wrote:
Sadly not.
Now I saw a few screenshots. I still can't believe. My eyes start to bleed... :(
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Done. The Metro UI is all about user experience with colors and shapes. How can black & white be a good design?
Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.
Mark Nischalke wrote:
How can black & white be a good design?
By getting the color out of the way of the important stuff
"To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson "Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction." ― Francis Picabia
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Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
Have you actually had the chance to use it? Their argument is that with monochrome they remove the distractions out of the UI (as the studies supposedly shown) and make the user more effective. Color will be used to highlight so the more important are quickly noticed and reached. I wonder if it actually helps usability.
"To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson "Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction." ― Francis Picabia
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Have you actually had the chance to use it? Their argument is that with monochrome they remove the distractions out of the UI (as the studies supposedly shown) and make the user more effective. Color will be used to highlight so the more important are quickly noticed and reached. I wonder if it actually helps usability.
"To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson "Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction." ― Francis Picabia
I am using it as my main dev environment. I am finding it slow going adjusting to the new icons. I have arranged them in the same order as previous versions but just before clicking my brain says "hold on a minute, that's not the icon for whatever". So it is very slightly slower than before for those instances where I use the toolbars/menus. I also happen to think it fugly, elephanting fugly even. However, I am exceedingly ancient so the adjustment problems may just be me. :-D
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
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I am using it as my main dev environment. I am finding it slow going adjusting to the new icons. I have arranged them in the same order as previous versions but just before clicking my brain says "hold on a minute, that's not the icon for whatever". So it is very slightly slower than before for those instances where I use the toolbars/menus. I also happen to think it fugly, elephanting fugly even. However, I am exceedingly ancient so the adjustment problems may just be me. :-D
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
Henry Minute wrote:
I am finding it slow going adjusting to the new icons. I have arranged them in the same order as previous versions
So not only they are b/w, but also in different places? Oh boy, I can already feel the anger dude showing up on the horizon. Sometimes I think MS does that stuff on purpose in a massive psychological study. Maybe they are into the pharmaceutical business and we don't know it. Sometimes they really seem to forget the meaning of baby steps.
Henry Minute wrote:
I am exceedingly ancient so the adjustment problems may just be me.
I don't think you need to be ancient to have those problems. When office launched the ribbon navigation I spent months cursing at microsoft for not allowing me to have it the old way, until I found a third party extension that did it.
"To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson "Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction." ― Francis Picabia
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Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
It's a bit reminiscent of mac but it isn't terrible. I've seen a darker version that I like better though. Instead of trying to give us their ideas on what we might like, provide us with a variety of skins to choose from so we can create a working environment we like. :java:
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
How can black & white be a good design?
It's worked well enough for zebras for quite a while now.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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It's a bit reminiscent of mac but it isn't terrible. I've seen a darker version that I like better though. Instead of trying to give us their ideas on what we might like, provide us with a variety of skins to choose from so we can create a working environment we like. :java:
Don't be silly! That's far too sensible for MS
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
I think they all quit.
Maybe they all went blind or turned into dogs. (Dogs see in black and white.)
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My proposal is even more simple. Spend some time fixing bugs in Visual Studio 2008 (or fix VC++ 6) and bring the latest compiler and linker back to it. I'm only using Visual Studio 2010 because it has fixes in the 64-bit compiler that I need. Every day I wish I'd found a work around in VS 2008. With no exaggeration, VS 2010 is one of the worse products, and the slowest editor, I've used in the 32 years since I first used an Apple ][.
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Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
I'll keep my VS2008 thanks. Best version I've used. My copy remains under lock and key. :-)
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I'll keep my VS2008 thanks. Best version I've used. My copy remains under lock and key. :-)
Oddly enough, the reason I am using the Beta is because my 2008 is hosed as far as WPF is concerned. It is almost impossible to use the WPF Designer and when it does work the damned thing crashes on exiting VS. This is on both my much patched XP box and a fresh install on a brand new Win 7 one. If it weren't for that I would agree with you entirely.
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
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If you dislike this as much as I do, be sure to add your voice by following the link from here[^].
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
I've started using it and as long as the IDE makes it easy to do my usual development cycle without paying attention to the tool, the lack of color isn't a turn-off. A good IDE is like a good butler, functionally invisible but its absence would be sorely missed because you'd have to start attending the minutia of living yourself. Having used VS2010 with all its gazillion enigmatic buttons for two years, VS11 seems a lot less "noisy", which seems like a step in the right direction. (I'm not fond of the all-caps stuff, though. I mean, why? Caps aren't words.) Now if any of those core functions don't work or if I suddenly have to be _aware_ of the experience of using a tool rather than the experience of development, just watch me howl! So far, the jury's still out on that score. I'm not deep enough into it to tell yet, but those are the sorts of problems I'm likely to report. VS2010 was fine for C# development but I found it sluggish and awkward for C++. For instance, IntelliSense often couldn't keep up and went away completely with /CLI in place. That's one place I'm hoping for improvement in VS11. We'll see.
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I've started using it and as long as the IDE makes it easy to do my usual development cycle without paying attention to the tool, the lack of color isn't a turn-off. A good IDE is like a good butler, functionally invisible but its absence would be sorely missed because you'd have to start attending the minutia of living yourself. Having used VS2010 with all its gazillion enigmatic buttons for two years, VS11 seems a lot less "noisy", which seems like a step in the right direction. (I'm not fond of the all-caps stuff, though. I mean, why? Caps aren't words.) Now if any of those core functions don't work or if I suddenly have to be _aware_ of the experience of using a tool rather than the experience of development, just watch me howl! So far, the jury's still out on that score. I'm not deep enough into it to tell yet, but those are the sorts of problems I'm likely to report. VS2010 was fine for C# development but I found it sluggish and awkward for C++. For instance, IntelliSense often couldn't keep up and went away completely with /CLI in place. That's one place I'm hoping for improvement in VS11. We'll see.
Well stated. I'm afraid I'm so shallow that the lack of colour does put me off. :) It's a little like when I bought VS2003 (Visual Studio, remember) and found that 90% of Ms's examples used the console. I felt slightly swizzled. :laugh: Entirely agree about the all CAPS thing though, I also added my vote to get that changed.
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.