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  • D Dr Walt Fair PE

    I've been watching the blogs and info about W8 and how it is so different than W7, gets rid of the desktop, etc. I haven't tried it yet, mainly because I'm not sure I have a spare PC to wipe and install. However, some of the information being passed around seems pretty alarming. I do desktop engineering applications using WinForms and there is no way that these could be done on a tablet or smart phone, because there just isn't enough screen space to show everything. I've tried using my apps on a netbook and they are painful to use to say the least. There's just too much to display for an integrated engineering evaluation system. I've thought about porting everything to Linux (last time I tried, it seemed to run OK with Wine, etc.), but that brings up other issues. Turning the system into web apps seems to be out of the question for various reasons, including the massive amounts of data that would need to be transferred, high compute performance needs, and data security concerns. Is anyone else concerned about Microsoft's apparent abandonment of us desktop developers? Are the press and bloggers complaining about nothing? What plans do other desktop developers have for dealing with W8 when it comes out? Or am I just misunderstanding the whole issue?

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    Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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    Obrycki
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    I've been using it for a few months now and have actually really grown to like it. It has the best for both worlds and installed the latest Preview on my convertable laptop and get the best of both worlds. As a .net developer I find the Metro very easy to develop in and looks nice also.

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    • D Dr Walt Fair PE

      I've been watching the blogs and info about W8 and how it is so different than W7, gets rid of the desktop, etc. I haven't tried it yet, mainly because I'm not sure I have a spare PC to wipe and install. However, some of the information being passed around seems pretty alarming. I do desktop engineering applications using WinForms and there is no way that these could be done on a tablet or smart phone, because there just isn't enough screen space to show everything. I've tried using my apps on a netbook and they are painful to use to say the least. There's just too much to display for an integrated engineering evaluation system. I've thought about porting everything to Linux (last time I tried, it seemed to run OK with Wine, etc.), but that brings up other issues. Turning the system into web apps seems to be out of the question for various reasons, including the massive amounts of data that would need to be transferred, high compute performance needs, and data security concerns. Is anyone else concerned about Microsoft's apparent abandonment of us desktop developers? Are the press and bloggers complaining about nothing? What plans do other desktop developers have for dealing with W8 when it comes out? Or am I just misunderstanding the whole issue?

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      Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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      Donald Wingate
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      I have been running Windows 8 as my main Development machine since Consumer Preview. Not a single issue. Haven't needed to boot into Win 7 since. I do full time, professional development, half time WPF for desk top, half time WinRT for Metro. Desktop is same as it was before, with certain cosmetic changes and some nice additions like ribbon for Explorer which I think is really nice. Navigating between desktop and Metro start is a non-issue. I like the contrast between Metro and desktop when I make the switch, it is not jarring. Rather, it is refreshing. Learn the short cuts and things like Control Panel (yes, the Win 7 version) are easier to get to than they ever were.

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      • D Dr Walt Fair PE

        I've been watching the blogs and info about W8 and how it is so different than W7, gets rid of the desktop, etc. I haven't tried it yet, mainly because I'm not sure I have a spare PC to wipe and install. However, some of the information being passed around seems pretty alarming. I do desktop engineering applications using WinForms and there is no way that these could be done on a tablet or smart phone, because there just isn't enough screen space to show everything. I've tried using my apps on a netbook and they are painful to use to say the least. There's just too much to display for an integrated engineering evaluation system. I've thought about porting everything to Linux (last time I tried, it seemed to run OK with Wine, etc.), but that brings up other issues. Turning the system into web apps seems to be out of the question for various reasons, including the massive amounts of data that would need to be transferred, high compute performance needs, and data security concerns. Is anyone else concerned about Microsoft's apparent abandonment of us desktop developers? Are the press and bloggers complaining about nothing? What plans do other desktop developers have for dealing with W8 when it comes out? Or am I just misunderstanding the whole issue?

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        Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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        Lost User
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        I installed it, and I absolutely hate it. :mad: Microsoft made a HUGE mistake. I hope that Windows will make Microsoft bankrupt.

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        • D Dr Walt Fair PE

          I've been watching the blogs and info about W8 and how it is so different than W7, gets rid of the desktop, etc. I haven't tried it yet, mainly because I'm not sure I have a spare PC to wipe and install. However, some of the information being passed around seems pretty alarming. I do desktop engineering applications using WinForms and there is no way that these could be done on a tablet or smart phone, because there just isn't enough screen space to show everything. I've tried using my apps on a netbook and they are painful to use to say the least. There's just too much to display for an integrated engineering evaluation system. I've thought about porting everything to Linux (last time I tried, it seemed to run OK with Wine, etc.), but that brings up other issues. Turning the system into web apps seems to be out of the question for various reasons, including the massive amounts of data that would need to be transferred, high compute performance needs, and data security concerns. Is anyone else concerned about Microsoft's apparent abandonment of us desktop developers? Are the press and bloggers complaining about nothing? What plans do other desktop developers have for dealing with W8 when it comes out? Or am I just misunderstanding the whole issue?

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          Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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          PaulWg
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          I've bought ChiWinsXpPro & ChiWins7Ultimate before and so familiarized with Microsoft's strategy from Dos to Wins3.1x, from Wins95 to WinsMe, from WinsXp to Wins7, from WinsNT3.51, WinsNT4, Wins2000, WinsServer2003, WinsServer2008 to WinsServer8. Can't you see that she always use an intercept strategy to maintain her market's competitive and only one time to integrate her workstation & server market, that is Wins2000?! Afterwards, she separate these two versions again and even break down into small, a little bit of differentiated versions. Besides, she always had breakthrough from starting a new version such as Wins95, WinsXp, WinsNT3.51, WinsServer2003 and made those unstable versions in those middle stages' such as Wins98, WinsVista, WinsNT4, WinsServer2008 and use the third version as her stage of tick-tick-tock's tock version such as WinsMe, Wins7...the coming WinsServer8 version and such WinsServer8 will be come from the core of Wins7 while WinsServer2008 was come from her WinsVista's core! What's new in Windows8 we can see?! Do we unable to download all free of charge software or something small software like metro apps into Wins7 series platform? Does Wins8 can overcome iPad? Does WinsPhone7.5/8 can overcome Android4/iPhone5? Will Microsoft integrate WinsPhone8Pro with Wins8 just like the coming Asus's Panphone (Transformer)? Will Microsoft even integrate WinsPhone8+Wins8+WinsServer8 into one OS which can be names as something like Wins8ServerPhone...? Why acting as an enterprise or personal user should upgrade & upgrade? Where was Bill Gate's promise as he has stated that Blackcomp (Wins7) is the final version and no further version will be issued after it, especially after a normal product cycle(So short period then comes a Wins8)? Is it final version & having great different from Wins7? Why don't we wait for Wins8Me and buy it at that time? One point that Microsoft will integrate Workstation & Server markets that is when she can't sell well in both items. Otherwise, she will use Workstation's rising development atmosphere to save bad selling in Server market or vice versa! Hopefully that, we can see Wins2000 Second again. However, up to this century, Wins2000 Second should combine with Mobile's OS just like Asus's Panphone whatever it should be performed as a portable server or not since make a life simple to serve one OS enough! Are you tired to chase, adapt & use different, new software in different OS or platforms? How can we create identical Apps to different Android4's mobiles even though we can have

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          • D Dr Walt Fair PE

            I've been watching the blogs and info about W8 and how it is so different than W7, gets rid of the desktop, etc. I haven't tried it yet, mainly because I'm not sure I have a spare PC to wipe and install. However, some of the information being passed around seems pretty alarming. I do desktop engineering applications using WinForms and there is no way that these could be done on a tablet or smart phone, because there just isn't enough screen space to show everything. I've tried using my apps on a netbook and they are painful to use to say the least. There's just too much to display for an integrated engineering evaluation system. I've thought about porting everything to Linux (last time I tried, it seemed to run OK with Wine, etc.), but that brings up other issues. Turning the system into web apps seems to be out of the question for various reasons, including the massive amounts of data that would need to be transferred, high compute performance needs, and data security concerns. Is anyone else concerned about Microsoft's apparent abandonment of us desktop developers? Are the press and bloggers complaining about nothing? What plans do other desktop developers have for dealing with W8 when it comes out? Or am I just misunderstanding the whole issue?

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            Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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            Bob1000
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            No you are not misunderstanding it - Microsoft is! Unfortunately they don't get that Metro style is just about bearable on mobile but both Android and IOS leave it way behind. Windows 8 then forces this bad design down your throat on the desktop. It's very difficult to know why anyone would want Metro on a desktop based on what desktop/laptops are used for. Maybe as an option but not as the primary interface. Guess Microsoft now appears to be in Lemming mode - they are just trying to locate a cliff to throw themselves off and maybe Windows 8 is it - pity really!

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            • D Dr Walt Fair PE

              I've been watching the blogs and info about W8 and how it is so different than W7, gets rid of the desktop, etc. I haven't tried it yet, mainly because I'm not sure I have a spare PC to wipe and install. However, some of the information being passed around seems pretty alarming. I do desktop engineering applications using WinForms and there is no way that these could be done on a tablet or smart phone, because there just isn't enough screen space to show everything. I've tried using my apps on a netbook and they are painful to use to say the least. There's just too much to display for an integrated engineering evaluation system. I've thought about porting everything to Linux (last time I tried, it seemed to run OK with Wine, etc.), but that brings up other issues. Turning the system into web apps seems to be out of the question for various reasons, including the massive amounts of data that would need to be transferred, high compute performance needs, and data security concerns. Is anyone else concerned about Microsoft's apparent abandonment of us desktop developers? Are the press and bloggers complaining about nothing? What plans do other desktop developers have for dealing with W8 when it comes out? Or am I just misunderstanding the whole issue?

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              Bud Aaron
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              When I see posts like this it makes me absolutely crazy! I've been running Windows 8 as my OS of choice since it was in beta. Once I hit the Metro screen I go to the desktop and I'm running Windows 7 on steroids. I have an Intel Quad core machine with 12 GB of memory, several TB of rotating storage and two large monitors. I love the Lighthouse theme and the silly sounds but most importantly, except for the lack of a Start button (which I never used anyway) I love Windows 8 as a superb place to do all of my development. :) Now I seriously wish I had some way to tell the WORLD what a fantastic job I think MS has done! Pardon me but in these case I feel obliged to treat all of you as beginners. When your machine starts click the Desktop button on the lower left and go to desktop mode. For everything you want to use, go to metro view, right click the programs you use and select Pin to Taskbar. From then on those programs will be available on the desktop taskbar and you'll never look back. More importantly - before you start posting BS like this PLEASE experiment a little so you know what you're talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!! :omg: And just to clear something up - Microsoft HAS NOT abandoned desktop developers like me. I still do everything I did with Windows 7 and more. ;P

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                When I see posts like this it makes me absolutely crazy! I've been running Windows 8 as my OS of choice since it was in beta. Once I hit the Metro screen I go to the desktop and I'm running Windows 7 on steroids. I have an Intel Quad core machine with 12 GB of memory, several TB of rotating storage and two large monitors. I love the Lighthouse theme and the silly sounds but most importantly, except for the lack of a Start button (which I never used anyway) I love Windows 8 as a superb place to do all of my development. :) Now I seriously wish I had some way to tell the WORLD what a fantastic job I think MS has done! Pardon me but in these case I feel obliged to treat all of you as beginners. When your machine starts click the Desktop button on the lower left and go to desktop mode. For everything you want to use, go to metro view, right click the programs you use and select Pin to Taskbar. From then on those programs will be available on the desktop taskbar and you'll never look back. More importantly - before you start posting BS like this PLEASE experiment a little so you know what you're talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!! :omg: And just to clear something up - Microsoft HAS NOT abandoned desktop developers like me. I still do everything I did with Windows 7 and more. ;P

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                Dr Walt Fair PE
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                Bud Aaron wrote:

                More importantly - before you start posting BS like this PLEASE experiment a little so you know what you're talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                Actually I didn't post BS. I just asked for information from people with experience, like you. Thanks for the info and I am relieved after reading all the favorable reviews in this thread. I guess journalism thrives on negatives. That's why I asked for real info.

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  That is pretty much how I read it as well - and pretty much my reaction. If true, I think it's another MS foot-shooting!

                  Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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                  I honestly think they have a winner with Win 7, paying attention to a tablet market is not a dumb move by any means. After seeing W8 in action, I am wondering what they are thinking. Most people do not want serious change on their DESKTOP like this. It is just another example of an out of sync company, that is at a horizon in their existence. The desktop market has changed because of tablets & phones, but as always they doing what they see fit. I love Windows, but this and the fact that they are going to not allow browser competition with their ARM tablet line, hardware acceleration issues, is history repeating itself. Down to earth consumers are looking elsewhere for home computing quickly. I already have Carpel Tunnel, I am not dragging screens with a mouse. Indie development is in a renaissance, the tides have changed. They really should think a bit about a "choice" for an honest to goodness Windows Interface as needed. I am already planning for the worst and may be switching to a Mac or Linux for development, if it gets this bad. I do not want to, but what I see is not a good sign, yet.

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                  • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                    Bud Aaron wrote:

                    More importantly - before you start posting BS like this PLEASE experiment a little so you know what you're talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    Actually I didn't post BS. I just asked for information from people with experience, like you. Thanks for the info and I am relieved after reading all the favorable reviews in this thread. I guess journalism thrives on negatives. That's why I asked for real info.

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                    Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                    Bud Aaron
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                    You're right Walt and for that I apologize. I just get bummed out when folks post negative stuff about Microsoft. I even unsubscribed from Slashdot for all of the nasty comments posted regularly about MS and their perceived failings. Microsoft certainly isn't perfect but they really don't rate all the negativity they get. My take is simple - if it works for you great. If it doesn't then move on to something that does but don't berate me for my choice. But I ramble - sorry. I really thing you'll love Windows 8. I just spent the last couple of days rebuilding my system with the Release Preview. :rolleyes:

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                      I've bought ChiWinsXpPro & ChiWins7Ultimate before and so familiarized with Microsoft's strategy from Dos to Wins3.1x, from Wins95 to WinsMe, from WinsXp to Wins7, from WinsNT3.51, WinsNT4, Wins2000, WinsServer2003, WinsServer2008 to WinsServer8. Can't you see that she always use an intercept strategy to maintain her market's competitive and only one time to integrate her workstation & server market, that is Wins2000?! Afterwards, she separate these two versions again and even break down into small, a little bit of differentiated versions. Besides, she always had breakthrough from starting a new version such as Wins95, WinsXp, WinsNT3.51, WinsServer2003 and made those unstable versions in those middle stages' such as Wins98, WinsVista, WinsNT4, WinsServer2008 and use the third version as her stage of tick-tick-tock's tock version such as WinsMe, Wins7...the coming WinsServer8 version and such WinsServer8 will be come from the core of Wins7 while WinsServer2008 was come from her WinsVista's core! What's new in Windows8 we can see?! Do we unable to download all free of charge software or something small software like metro apps into Wins7 series platform? Does Wins8 can overcome iPad? Does WinsPhone7.5/8 can overcome Android4/iPhone5? Will Microsoft integrate WinsPhone8Pro with Wins8 just like the coming Asus's Panphone (Transformer)? Will Microsoft even integrate WinsPhone8+Wins8+WinsServer8 into one OS which can be names as something like Wins8ServerPhone...? Why acting as an enterprise or personal user should upgrade & upgrade? Where was Bill Gate's promise as he has stated that Blackcomp (Wins7) is the final version and no further version will be issued after it, especially after a normal product cycle(So short period then comes a Wins8)? Is it final version & having great different from Wins7? Why don't we wait for Wins8Me and buy it at that time? One point that Microsoft will integrate Workstation & Server markets that is when she can't sell well in both items. Otherwise, she will use Workstation's rising development atmosphere to save bad selling in Server market or vice versa! Hopefully that, we can see Wins2000 Second again. However, up to this century, Wins2000 Second should combine with Mobile's OS just like Asus's Panphone whatever it should be performed as a portable server or not since make a life simple to serve one OS enough! Are you tired to chase, adapt & use different, new software in different OS or platforms? How can we create identical Apps to different Android4's mobiles even though we can have

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                      Bud Aaron
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                      I actually read your entire post and - with apologies - I don't understand a thing you say! :zzz:

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                      • B Bud Aaron

                        You're right Walt and for that I apologize. I just get bummed out when folks post negative stuff about Microsoft. I even unsubscribed from Slashdot for all of the nasty comments posted regularly about MS and their perceived failings. Microsoft certainly isn't perfect but they really don't rate all the negativity they get. My take is simple - if it works for you great. If it doesn't then move on to something that does but don't berate me for my choice. But I ramble - sorry. I really thing you'll love Windows 8. I just spent the last couple of days rebuilding my system with the Release Preview. :rolleyes:

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                        Dr Walt Fair PE
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                        No problem, Bud. I agree with you. I've used MS stuff for years and will continue to do so as long as it fits my business needs. Some is good, some has flaws. I just want to know the facts, so I can make an informed decision, but mainly what I read on the web was bashing. Thanks for all the info.

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                        • S Steve Naidamast

                          10 Points! This is a great analysis of the future-world based on the stupidity that has gripped it currently...

                          Steve Naidamast Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@ix.netcom.com

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                          NedPat
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                          Set up W8 on 6 year old machine with 1.5GB RAM. It runs as well as XP. Spent 20 minutes to find system is not so different and I expect to give 5 minutes to upgraded users with a hundred or so files on the desktop and have problems finding their way to work. W8 works fine and is a decided improvement on the common desktop clutter.

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                            I actually read your entire post and - with apologies - I don't understand a thing you say! :zzz:

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                            Oh, please feel free to let me know which point you seem not understand. What's a pity is I can't attach a flowchart here for Wins series' development from Dos up to the coming Wins8 & WinsServer8, from WinsCE, WinsMobile5 till to the new black horse "WinsPhone7.5" or the coming WinsPhone8 or WinsPhone8Pro. However, at least three points I can state clear here: You know, Tablet is initiated by Microsoft through her Eng Version of WinsXpPro(Tablet with Touchscreen); even in Wins98, Fujitsu had already produced a 12.1" notebook with Touchscreen. However, present winner is iPad instead of WinsPad even Acer W501 was produced as a computer and eventually pushed to the market far before The New iPad but such 3rd version of iPad is user friendly more easier to use than Wins7 as Wins7 has its own historical (mouse oriented operation) limitation's background! The second point is: Microsoft had run so fast & frontier to the market but she had not fine tuned her WinsMobile6.5 which was also limited by her thinking or creative. She always create thing with complicated, slowly and need us to chase something like Intel's hardware again & again! If not complicated, IT has no value to learn, then Microsoft can't issue renewable licenses or certificates again and again & hardware is not worth to upgrade & upgrade at all! However, think about iPhone's previous success. What's a pity is iPhone is so monopoly versus Android is so opened to consumers' orientation. Yes, WinsPhone maybe the black horse one day as which stands between them. Both benefits from programmers & consumers can gain from it. However, she maybe so late to enter into market and WinsPhone7.5 is not stable at this moment! Unless she can win Galaxy SIII, SIV, Asus Panphone Transformer (Mixture & Separator of Phone+Pad), iPhone5 by her WinsPhone8/8Pro. Otherwise she will totally lose her phone's market! As Android is already the king of mobile and she may win iPad also (through her Android4 / ChromeOS ) in the coming Pad/Tablet or even PC's market. Cloud server may not be safe for human eventually and OS with Application Software may still be mainly controlled back by enterprises & personal users for avoiding to depend on broadband furthermore (save broadband cost, being internet controlled & upgradable software's costs & confidential information)! Third point is : Apple seems to forgo her X-Server's series from MacBookPro's server version. She uses iPhone to iPad to MacAir to MacBook to MacBookPro to MacServer to keep fat by herself just starting f

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                            • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                              So, why doesn't Microsoft just come right out and say that?

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                              Paulo_JCG
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                              Walt Fair, Jr. wrote:

                              So, why doesn't Microsoft just come right out and say that?

                              I can still run most of Windows 3.1 applications. Do you really think that Microsoft will forget it's main Philosophy. It's true that they are trying to "force" developers to evolve to the web, they have Azure to sell, but that doesn't mean they forget one of their main business (industry) which will retain desktop for the foreseeable future. You still have .NET and WinAPI to develop in W8, though it might not work in tablets where they don't support Win32. If you want multi-device (MS supported) you have to go with Metro, and that's their main focus for now.

                              Paulo Gomes Over and Out :D

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                              • L lewax00

                                I think it's suicide to ignore the desktop market, even if the majority of users are on tablets and similar devices, it's nearly impossible to actually write applications for those devices on anything less than a laptop (and even a laptop is, IMO, not sufficient for coding comfortably). Without the applications the OS is useless, and driving away the developers, who depend on the desktop environment, is a good start down that path.

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                                Programming on a laptop's no problem, as long as you add a monitor, a keyboard, and a mouse. If you like, you can also close the laptop's lid, and stand it on edge under the desk.

                                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                                  I've been watching the blogs and info about W8 and how it is so different than W7, gets rid of the desktop, etc. I haven't tried it yet, mainly because I'm not sure I have a spare PC to wipe and install. However, some of the information being passed around seems pretty alarming. I do desktop engineering applications using WinForms and there is no way that these could be done on a tablet or smart phone, because there just isn't enough screen space to show everything. I've tried using my apps on a netbook and they are painful to use to say the least. There's just too much to display for an integrated engineering evaluation system. I've thought about porting everything to Linux (last time I tried, it seemed to run OK with Wine, etc.), but that brings up other issues. Turning the system into web apps seems to be out of the question for various reasons, including the massive amounts of data that would need to be transferred, high compute performance needs, and data security concerns. Is anyone else concerned about Microsoft's apparent abandonment of us desktop developers? Are the press and bloggers complaining about nothing? What plans do other desktop developers have for dealing with W8 when it comes out? Or am I just misunderstanding the whole issue?

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                                  Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                                  DarthDana
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                                  I've tried all the preview versions of Win8 on a test machine except the latest release preview. I've downloaded it but haven't installed it yet. I hope it's 1000 times better than the ones I've seen so far. One issue - I am constantly cutting and pasting information from one document to another. Win8 (at least the versions I've tried so far) brings every application up full screen so that is no longer possible. And, just shutting down your PC is, like, a five step process - if you can even find it in the first place. :thumbsdown: What a cluster. Let's start a petition to bring back Windows ME, BOB and Clippy... ;P

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                                    I've tried all the preview versions of Win8 on a test machine except the latest release preview. I've downloaded it but haven't installed it yet. I hope it's 1000 times better than the ones I've seen so far. One issue - I am constantly cutting and pasting information from one document to another. Win8 (at least the versions I've tried so far) brings every application up full screen so that is no longer possible. And, just shutting down your PC is, like, a five step process - if you can even find it in the first place. :thumbsdown: What a cluster. Let's start a petition to bring back Windows ME, BOB and Clippy... ;P

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                                    Bud Aaron
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                                    Lordy - switch to desktop mode and enjoy Windows 7 on steroids. You can do ANYTHING you do in Windows 7 but with a bunch of embellishments. MS never intended you to use Metro on a desktop machine and certainly doesn't force you to!!!! :sigh:

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                                      Oh, please feel free to let me know which point you seem not understand. What's a pity is I can't attach a flowchart here for Wins series' development from Dos up to the coming Wins8 & WinsServer8, from WinsCE, WinsMobile5 till to the new black horse "WinsPhone7.5" or the coming WinsPhone8 or WinsPhone8Pro. However, at least three points I can state clear here: You know, Tablet is initiated by Microsoft through her Eng Version of WinsXpPro(Tablet with Touchscreen); even in Wins98, Fujitsu had already produced a 12.1" notebook with Touchscreen. However, present winner is iPad instead of WinsPad even Acer W501 was produced as a computer and eventually pushed to the market far before The New iPad but such 3rd version of iPad is user friendly more easier to use than Wins7 as Wins7 has its own historical (mouse oriented operation) limitation's background! The second point is: Microsoft had run so fast & frontier to the market but she had not fine tuned her WinsMobile6.5 which was also limited by her thinking or creative. She always create thing with complicated, slowly and need us to chase something like Intel's hardware again & again! If not complicated, IT has no value to learn, then Microsoft can't issue renewable licenses or certificates again and again & hardware is not worth to upgrade & upgrade at all! However, think about iPhone's previous success. What's a pity is iPhone is so monopoly versus Android is so opened to consumers' orientation. Yes, WinsPhone maybe the black horse one day as which stands between them. Both benefits from programmers & consumers can gain from it. However, she maybe so late to enter into market and WinsPhone7.5 is not stable at this moment! Unless she can win Galaxy SIII, SIV, Asus Panphone Transformer (Mixture & Separator of Phone+Pad), iPhone5 by her WinsPhone8/8Pro. Otherwise she will totally lose her phone's market! As Android is already the king of mobile and she may win iPad also (through her Android4 / ChromeOS ) in the coming Pad/Tablet or even PC's market. Cloud server may not be safe for human eventually and OS with Application Software may still be mainly controlled back by enterprises & personal users for avoiding to depend on broadband furthermore (save broadband cost, being internet controlled & upgradable software's costs & confidential information)! Third point is : Apple seems to forgo her X-Server's series from MacBookPro's server version. She uses iPhone to iPad to MacAir to MacBook to MacBookPro to MacServer to keep fat by herself just starting f

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                                      I take it English isn't your native language. :laugh:

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                                        I've been watching the blogs and info about W8 and how it is so different than W7, gets rid of the desktop, etc. I haven't tried it yet, mainly because I'm not sure I have a spare PC to wipe and install. However, some of the information being passed around seems pretty alarming. I do desktop engineering applications using WinForms and there is no way that these could be done on a tablet or smart phone, because there just isn't enough screen space to show everything. I've tried using my apps on a netbook and they are painful to use to say the least. There's just too much to display for an integrated engineering evaluation system. I've thought about porting everything to Linux (last time I tried, it seemed to run OK with Wine, etc.), but that brings up other issues. Turning the system into web apps seems to be out of the question for various reasons, including the massive amounts of data that would need to be transferred, high compute performance needs, and data security concerns. Is anyone else concerned about Microsoft's apparent abandonment of us desktop developers? Are the press and bloggers complaining about nothing? What plans do other desktop developers have for dealing with W8 when it comes out? Or am I just misunderstanding the whole issue?

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                                        Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                                        "about W8 and how it is so different than W7, gets rid of the desktop, etc" Ive been using Win 8 for a couple months now, the desktop is still there and that's where I spend most of my time, what is different from win7 is the new metro apps that run outside the desktop (think of the desktop as an app) and the start screen (which is kinda cool once you get used to it) "I do desktop engineering applications using WinForms and there is no way that these could be done on a tablet or smart phone, because there just isn't enough screen space to show everything." Agree with you, the new metro design thing its probably not for this kinds of applications but we should probably look at the problem of our own design ideas (after years of designing windows forms changing the whole layout of things its kinda hard to imagine but not impossible) the metro apps really give you a greater user experience than a desktop app "Turning the system into web apps seems to be out of the question for various reasons, including the massive amounts of data that would need to be transferred, high compute performance needs, and data security concerns." Ive been developing metro apps and they are far from being "web apps" they run locally like a desktop app would. I think this is a big shift from what we are all used to but I believe that as a developer I shouldn't close myself to new ways of doing things, probably the new metro design stuff and philosophy its not right for your apps but then again...I think the desktop is dying and if you stick with it...well...you're not gonna die but your opportunities probably will.

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                                          I take it English isn't your native language. :laugh:

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                                          Yes, you're right. I'm just a Chinese guy in using my poor English to talk with you. How about you? Nevertheless, nice to get your response till to now! Wish you all the best :)

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