is it worth learning wordpress
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Hello fellow programmers, I have a dilema, at this point in time, and i was wondering if someone could give an opinion. This post is going to be a little longer than the usual posts, because i have to explain all the pros and cons as far as i see them, so bear with me. I am an experienced programmer with good knowledge of C++, Win32 API, Flash/ActionScript 2, PHP, MySQL and i can also handle Javascript enough to do something. All the websites that i have created so far were made from scratch, whether they were static or had an admin control panel behind. Recently i have seen myself put in a position to have to learn how to code a Wordpress theme and also make some structure and functionality changes to the default Wordpress framework, so that it suits my needs. I have taken a look at a few tutorials and at the standard Wordpress theme and i am not yet convinced it is worth the pain. I could build an entire CMS of my own, first to suit only my current needs but also taking account of possible future features that i may desire. The only thing is it might take longer to do that. Here's what i hate about Wordpress: 1. Many people like it because it is verry popular: my honest opinion is that no one gives a damn about what framework was used to create a website; a simple visitor will, many times, not even know what Wordpress is. 2. Most wordpress websites look like a blog, even though they are not; and that's because Wordpress is a blogging framework. That is not something to desire when you want a simple presentation website, a portfolio website, etc. 3. I have also seen people have the wrong opinion that Wordpress is best for SEO and everything else is crap; that is totally wrong since, as you all know, it all depends on how you write your HTML; 4. A wordpress is not exactly easy to manage (admin panel) if you are an average user or below. Besides that, many times you have a lot of options that you do not need, so giving this to a client ... i don't know; 5. creating a simple theme may be simple, but adding advanced functionality to the whole website is not so simple; 6. some things do not come in standard in Wordpress; for example multi-language, the ability to detect if the user is on a computer or portable device (and hence switch to another theme, more apropriate). Yes, i know there are plugins, but still .. The only good thing that i see in learning Wordpress is that you can make money by selling themes on special websites. So, my dillema is: is it worth the time and energy con
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Hello fellow programmers, I have a dilema, at this point in time, and i was wondering if someone could give an opinion. This post is going to be a little longer than the usual posts, because i have to explain all the pros and cons as far as i see them, so bear with me. I am an experienced programmer with good knowledge of C++, Win32 API, Flash/ActionScript 2, PHP, MySQL and i can also handle Javascript enough to do something. All the websites that i have created so far were made from scratch, whether they were static or had an admin control panel behind. Recently i have seen myself put in a position to have to learn how to code a Wordpress theme and also make some structure and functionality changes to the default Wordpress framework, so that it suits my needs. I have taken a look at a few tutorials and at the standard Wordpress theme and i am not yet convinced it is worth the pain. I could build an entire CMS of my own, first to suit only my current needs but also taking account of possible future features that i may desire. The only thing is it might take longer to do that. Here's what i hate about Wordpress: 1. Many people like it because it is verry popular: my honest opinion is that no one gives a damn about what framework was used to create a website; a simple visitor will, many times, not even know what Wordpress is. 2. Most wordpress websites look like a blog, even though they are not; and that's because Wordpress is a blogging framework. That is not something to desire when you want a simple presentation website, a portfolio website, etc. 3. I have also seen people have the wrong opinion that Wordpress is best for SEO and everything else is crap; that is totally wrong since, as you all know, it all depends on how you write your HTML; 4. A wordpress is not exactly easy to manage (admin panel) if you are an average user or below. Besides that, many times you have a lot of options that you do not need, so giving this to a client ... i don't know; 5. creating a simple theme may be simple, but adding advanced functionality to the whole website is not so simple; 6. some things do not come in standard in Wordpress; for example multi-language, the ability to detect if the user is on a computer or portable device (and hence switch to another theme, more apropriate). Yes, i know there are plugins, but still .. The only good thing that i see in learning Wordpress is that you can make money by selling themes on special websites. So, my dillema is: is it worth the time and energy con
I only develop my own applications from scratch, gives me better flexibility and more control, if the user wants a wordpress or some type of pre-built cms, they should go ask someone who likes using those frameworks, but personally myself am not a fan. I'm not saying they are all bad, I just don't like working with them.
No matter how long he who laughs last laughs, he who laughs first has a head start!
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I only develop my own applications from scratch, gives me better flexibility and more control, if the user wants a wordpress or some type of pre-built cms, they should go ask someone who likes using those frameworks, but personally myself am not a fan. I'm not saying they are all bad, I just don't like working with them.
No matter how long he who laughs last laughs, he who laughs first has a head start!
I'm both a Wordpress user and (beginner) developer. I must say that as a developer, I quite hate it, but as a user, it's totally awesome.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] My Blog
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I'm both a Wordpress user and (beginner) developer. I must say that as a developer, I quite hate it, but as a user, it's totally awesome.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] My Blog
My feelings exactly. I have a friend that develops using wordpress, joomla etc etc, and some of the sites he has done look amazing, but as soon as I touch the code, I usually play around with it for an hour or so, and then end up building my own cms. So if someone insists on having a wordpress site, I refer them to him. Rather loose the client than just frustrate myself to kingdom come
No matter how long he who laughs last laughs, he who laughs first has a head start!
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Hello fellow programmers, I have a dilema, at this point in time, and i was wondering if someone could give an opinion. This post is going to be a little longer than the usual posts, because i have to explain all the pros and cons as far as i see them, so bear with me. I am an experienced programmer with good knowledge of C++, Win32 API, Flash/ActionScript 2, PHP, MySQL and i can also handle Javascript enough to do something. All the websites that i have created so far were made from scratch, whether they were static or had an admin control panel behind. Recently i have seen myself put in a position to have to learn how to code a Wordpress theme and also make some structure and functionality changes to the default Wordpress framework, so that it suits my needs. I have taken a look at a few tutorials and at the standard Wordpress theme and i am not yet convinced it is worth the pain. I could build an entire CMS of my own, first to suit only my current needs but also taking account of possible future features that i may desire. The only thing is it might take longer to do that. Here's what i hate about Wordpress: 1. Many people like it because it is verry popular: my honest opinion is that no one gives a damn about what framework was used to create a website; a simple visitor will, many times, not even know what Wordpress is. 2. Most wordpress websites look like a blog, even though they are not; and that's because Wordpress is a blogging framework. That is not something to desire when you want a simple presentation website, a portfolio website, etc. 3. I have also seen people have the wrong opinion that Wordpress is best for SEO and everything else is crap; that is totally wrong since, as you all know, it all depends on how you write your HTML; 4. A wordpress is not exactly easy to manage (admin panel) if you are an average user or below. Besides that, many times you have a lot of options that you do not need, so giving this to a client ... i don't know; 5. creating a simple theme may be simple, but adding advanced functionality to the whole website is not so simple; 6. some things do not come in standard in Wordpress; for example multi-language, the ability to detect if the user is on a computer or portable device (and hence switch to another theme, more apropriate). Yes, i know there are plugins, but still .. The only good thing that i see in learning Wordpress is that you can make money by selling themes on special websites. So, my dillema is: is it worth the time and energy con
Wordpress as you say was born as blog software. I fell out with developing for wordpress when I was shot down for suggesting comments in code were a good thing. Someone even said sthg like "If wordpress had more comments I would leave and use different software because people were wasting time writing comments instead of developing new features". Fail. I haven't used drupal but I hear good things about it as an extensible content-management system. Maybe have a play with that instead?
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Hello fellow programmers, I have a dilema, at this point in time, and i was wondering if someone could give an opinion. This post is going to be a little longer than the usual posts, because i have to explain all the pros and cons as far as i see them, so bear with me. I am an experienced programmer with good knowledge of C++, Win32 API, Flash/ActionScript 2, PHP, MySQL and i can also handle Javascript enough to do something. All the websites that i have created so far were made from scratch, whether they were static or had an admin control panel behind. Recently i have seen myself put in a position to have to learn how to code a Wordpress theme and also make some structure and functionality changes to the default Wordpress framework, so that it suits my needs. I have taken a look at a few tutorials and at the standard Wordpress theme and i am not yet convinced it is worth the pain. I could build an entire CMS of my own, first to suit only my current needs but also taking account of possible future features that i may desire. The only thing is it might take longer to do that. Here's what i hate about Wordpress: 1. Many people like it because it is verry popular: my honest opinion is that no one gives a damn about what framework was used to create a website; a simple visitor will, many times, not even know what Wordpress is. 2. Most wordpress websites look like a blog, even though they are not; and that's because Wordpress is a blogging framework. That is not something to desire when you want a simple presentation website, a portfolio website, etc. 3. I have also seen people have the wrong opinion that Wordpress is best for SEO and everything else is crap; that is totally wrong since, as you all know, it all depends on how you write your HTML; 4. A wordpress is not exactly easy to manage (admin panel) if you are an average user or below. Besides that, many times you have a lot of options that you do not need, so giving this to a client ... i don't know; 5. creating a simple theme may be simple, but adding advanced functionality to the whole website is not so simple; 6. some things do not come in standard in Wordpress; for example multi-language, the ability to detect if the user is on a computer or portable device (and hence switch to another theme, more apropriate). Yes, i know there are plugins, but still .. The only good thing that i see in learning Wordpress is that you can make money by selling themes on special websites. So, my dillema is: is it worth the time and energy con
Lengthy question, short answer: No. It's time and energy wasted unless the income it generates outweighs your investment - and that's unlikely. And honestly, do you really want to be churning out Wordpress themes to earn a crust??? If you're spending time doing that, what's going to happen to your dev skills?
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Hello fellow programmers, I have a dilema, at this point in time, and i was wondering if someone could give an opinion. This post is going to be a little longer than the usual posts, because i have to explain all the pros and cons as far as i see them, so bear with me. I am an experienced programmer with good knowledge of C++, Win32 API, Flash/ActionScript 2, PHP, MySQL and i can also handle Javascript enough to do something. All the websites that i have created so far were made from scratch, whether they were static or had an admin control panel behind. Recently i have seen myself put in a position to have to learn how to code a Wordpress theme and also make some structure and functionality changes to the default Wordpress framework, so that it suits my needs. I have taken a look at a few tutorials and at the standard Wordpress theme and i am not yet convinced it is worth the pain. I could build an entire CMS of my own, first to suit only my current needs but also taking account of possible future features that i may desire. The only thing is it might take longer to do that. Here's what i hate about Wordpress: 1. Many people like it because it is verry popular: my honest opinion is that no one gives a damn about what framework was used to create a website; a simple visitor will, many times, not even know what Wordpress is. 2. Most wordpress websites look like a blog, even though they are not; and that's because Wordpress is a blogging framework. That is not something to desire when you want a simple presentation website, a portfolio website, etc. 3. I have also seen people have the wrong opinion that Wordpress is best for SEO and everything else is crap; that is totally wrong since, as you all know, it all depends on how you write your HTML; 4. A wordpress is not exactly easy to manage (admin panel) if you are an average user or below. Besides that, many times you have a lot of options that you do not need, so giving this to a client ... i don't know; 5. creating a simple theme may be simple, but adding advanced functionality to the whole website is not so simple; 6. some things do not come in standard in Wordpress; for example multi-language, the ability to detect if the user is on a computer or portable device (and hence switch to another theme, more apropriate). Yes, i know there are plugins, but still .. The only good thing that i see in learning Wordpress is that you can make money by selling themes on special websites. So, my dillema is: is it worth the time and energy con
The real question is: what type of customer is your marketing target ? 1. Customers who want Wordpress. Then go for it. 2. Customers who do not want Wordpress. See 3. 3. Customers who do not care. Then either make your own stuff, or better, re-use something existing but that you enjoy working with: you do not need to re-invent the wheel, there is enough stuff out there.
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Wordpress as you say was born as blog software. I fell out with developing for wordpress when I was shot down for suggesting comments in code were a good thing. Someone even said sthg like "If wordpress had more comments I would leave and use different software because people were wasting time writing comments instead of developing new features". Fail. I haven't used drupal but I hear good things about it as an extensible content-management system. Maybe have a play with that instead?
sweavo_new wrote:
I haven't used drupal but I hear good things about it
Then let me be the first to tell you that it sucks. Burn it with fire!
Be The Noise
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Hello fellow programmers, I have a dilema, at this point in time, and i was wondering if someone could give an opinion. This post is going to be a little longer than the usual posts, because i have to explain all the pros and cons as far as i see them, so bear with me. I am an experienced programmer with good knowledge of C++, Win32 API, Flash/ActionScript 2, PHP, MySQL and i can also handle Javascript enough to do something. All the websites that i have created so far were made from scratch, whether they were static or had an admin control panel behind. Recently i have seen myself put in a position to have to learn how to code a Wordpress theme and also make some structure and functionality changes to the default Wordpress framework, so that it suits my needs. I have taken a look at a few tutorials and at the standard Wordpress theme and i am not yet convinced it is worth the pain. I could build an entire CMS of my own, first to suit only my current needs but also taking account of possible future features that i may desire. The only thing is it might take longer to do that. Here's what i hate about Wordpress: 1. Many people like it because it is verry popular: my honest opinion is that no one gives a damn about what framework was used to create a website; a simple visitor will, many times, not even know what Wordpress is. 2. Most wordpress websites look like a blog, even though they are not; and that's because Wordpress is a blogging framework. That is not something to desire when you want a simple presentation website, a portfolio website, etc. 3. I have also seen people have the wrong opinion that Wordpress is best for SEO and everything else is crap; that is totally wrong since, as you all know, it all depends on how you write your HTML; 4. A wordpress is not exactly easy to manage (admin panel) if you are an average user or below. Besides that, many times you have a lot of options that you do not need, so giving this to a client ... i don't know; 5. creating a simple theme may be simple, but adding advanced functionality to the whole website is not so simple; 6. some things do not come in standard in Wordpress; for example multi-language, the ability to detect if the user is on a computer or portable device (and hence switch to another theme, more apropriate). Yes, i know there are plugins, but still .. The only good thing that i see in learning Wordpress is that you can make money by selling themes on special websites. So, my dillema is: is it worth the time and energy con
You obviously are looking for people to back up your opinion, so I'm not going to feed into the discussion. One thing of irony that I noticed, and it is making me question your understanding of WP and, well, web design:
gx44 wrote:
2. Most wordpress websites look like a blog, even though they are not; and that's because Wordpress is a blogging framework. That is not something to desire when you want a simple presentation website, a portfolio website, etc.
3. I have also seen people have the wrong opinion that Wordpress is best for SEO and everything else is crap; that is totally wrong since, as you all know, it all depends on how you write your HTML;The bolded part answers your concern listed in #2.
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You obviously are looking for people to back up your opinion, so I'm not going to feed into the discussion. One thing of irony that I noticed, and it is making me question your understanding of WP and, well, web design:
gx44 wrote:
2. Most wordpress websites look like a blog, even though they are not; and that's because Wordpress is a blogging framework. That is not something to desire when you want a simple presentation website, a portfolio website, etc.
3. I have also seen people have the wrong opinion that Wordpress is best for SEO and everything else is crap; that is totally wrong since, as you all know, it all depends on how you write your HTML;The bolded part answers your concern listed in #2.
Hello, No, i am not looking for people backing up my opinion. I don't need to have someone to tell me "oh yeah, you're right, of course". For example i know for sure that a simple webdesigner that has little PHP or ASP knowledge will surely choose to create a theme for something like Wordpress, because for him it would be verry hard to create a whole website from scratch. That's the reason i gave so many details to the question, so that it is understood that i'm not in such a position. Basically my question, if i were to reformulate, would be: if you're experienced enough, what is easier to do: something from scratch (that you can later reuse easily, since you wrote it) or go ahead and digg into something already done by someone else, in this case Wordpress. And yes, i do know that you can make a wordpress website look totally different, just by the way you write your HTML, but that's not what i meant there. Anyway, your answer was good enough, so thanks :)