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When is a sport not a sport?

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  • realJSOPR realJSOP

    I think they need a new kind of marathon. The event starts on the first day of the Olympics, and ends on the last day. The person that runs the farthest the fastest wins the gold. The runners are allowed to stop and rest for as long as they want, and as frequently as they want. If they want shelter when they sleep, they have to have been running with it (a backpack with a tent in it, for example). To make it more interesting, they also have to pack their own water/food, and can only replenish food/water every two days, and only after they've consumed all previous food/water. Alternatively, they could bring a non-firearm weapon with which to hunt for their food during the event, but they must still bring their own water. Anyone that dies within three days of the completion of the event forfeits their medal (if they won one).

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    Roman_wolf
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    You're my new hero :laugh:

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    • P PIEBALDconsult

      Motorsports are also not sports.

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      Slacker007
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      Anything, that has competition, is a sport. You may not agree, but it is a sport none the less. Picking your nose with your colleagues and seeing who can flick their boogers the farthest, is a sport. Why? Competition baby. :)

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      • T thrakazog

        According to youtube there's a lot of blood involved in skateboarding. Does that qualify?

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        ZurdoDev
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        Probably not. That is self-inflicted bleeding. Not a sport. :)

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        • P Pete OHanlon

          How many caber tossers look married to you?

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          Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

          How many caber tossers look married to you?

          They've got long wooden poles, so you tell me....?

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          • P PIEBALDconsult

            Motorsports are also not sports.

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            BobJanova
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            Motor racing is no less of a sport than person racing, racing with bikes or racing with horses.

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            • R Roman_wolf

              You're my new hero :laugh:

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              realJSOP
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              I have been told that I inspire greatness. :)

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                No. Only one leg gets any exercise. Kinda like how I exercise only one arm... :~

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                realJSOP
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                I understand the reference, but I don't think the exercise is the same. :)

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                • P Pete OHanlon

                  lewax00 wrote:

                  the beginning of human civilization

                  That sounds like a grand idea. When's it due to start?

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                  Right after humans die out I think.

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                  • R R Giskard Reventlov

                    When it's a bunch of girls prancing around with a ball or a hoop. Best rhythmic gymnastics outfits of the London 2012 Olympics[^] This is not a sport, at best it's a hobby.

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                    wizardzz
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                    Well, the former Soviet countries need something to keep their women in shape.

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                    • M Marcus_2

                      thrakazog wrote:

                      For my money sports have defense.
                       
                      Football, Soccer, Basketball, etc.
                       
                      Without defense you just have yourself an activity.

                      You've obviously never been at a racetrack? ;) In racing you have to have defense as well, it's not just about driving a quick lap or knowing how to pass another car. You have to equally good at driving defensively to make it as hard as possible for someone else to overtake you.

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                      thrakazog
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                      None of that is actual defense. Who is actually trying to prevent the cars from going around the track all together? Get back to me when half the cars are driving round the track in the opposite direction as blockers.

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                      • B BobJanova

                        Motor racing is no less of a sport than person racing, racing with bikes or racing with horses.

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                        thrakazog
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                        Right, none of those is a sport. So none is less than the others. They are all equally not a sport. ;P

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                        • R R Giskard Reventlov

                          When it's a bunch of girls prancing around with a ball or a hoop. Best rhythmic gymnastics outfits of the London 2012 Olympics[^] This is not a sport, at best it's a hobby.

                          "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                          When it's a mutation?

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                          • S Slacker007

                            Anything, that has competition, is a sport. You may not agree, but it is a sport none the less. Picking your nose with your colleagues and seeing who can flick their boogers the farthest, is a sport. Why? Competition baby. :)

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                            PIEBALDconsult
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                            Slacker007 wrote:

                            Anything, that has competition, is a sport

                            I disagree. Sport doesn't require competition. So you agree that chess is a sport?

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                              When it's a bunch of girls prancing around with a ball or a hoop. Best rhythmic gymnastics outfits of the London 2012 Olympics[^] This is not a sport, at best it's a hobby.

                              "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                              jschell
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                              mark merrens wrote:

                              This is not a sport, at best it's a hobby.

                              Hmmm...have you tried it? What characteristics must a "sport" have for it to be a sport? How is badminton a sport? Or archery? Or curling? Or race walking?

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                              • W Wjousts

                                Yes they are. You can objectively declare a winner and a (bunch of) losers. That makes it more of a sport than gymnastics.

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                                jschell
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                                Wjousts wrote:

                                You can objectively declare a winner and a (bunch of) losers.

                                So exactly what is the "objective" process that is used to determine the rules under which the participants must race?

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                                  If you can't objectively declare a winner, then it's not a sport. So anything where you score points for "artistic merit" isn't a sport.

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                                  jschell
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                                  Wjousts wrote:

                                  If you can't objectively declare a winner, then it's not a sport. So anything where you score points for "artistic merit" isn't a sport.

                                  Nonsense. Every large scale sport is based on rules that have no objectivity. There is no "objective" reason that a football player or a basketball player can't punch and kick an opposing player unconscious but there are certainly rules that disallow it.

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                                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                    I think they need a new kind of marathon. The event starts on the first day of the Olympics, and ends on the last day. The person that runs the farthest the fastest wins the gold. The runners are allowed to stop and rest for as long as they want, and as frequently as they want. If they want shelter when they sleep, they have to have been running with it (a backpack with a tent in it, for example). To make it more interesting, they also have to pack their own water/food, and can only replenish food/water every two days, and only after they've consumed all previous food/water. Alternatively, they could bring a non-firearm weapon with which to hunt for their food during the event, but they must still bring their own water. Anyone that dies within three days of the completion of the event forfeits their medal (if they won one).

                                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                                    jschell
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                                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                    I think they need a new kind of marathon.

                                    That isn't new it just isn't in the Olympics. Ultra marathons have been around for a long time. There are also ultra triathalons with many variations on that. And there is a movement to add the ultra marathon to the Olympics.

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                                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                                      Slacker007 wrote:

                                      Anything, that has competition, is a sport

                                      I disagree. Sport doesn't require competition. So you agree that chess is a sport?

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                                      Slacker007
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                                      PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                      So you agree that chess is a sport?

                                      yes.

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                                      • J jschell

                                        Wjousts wrote:

                                        If you can't objectively declare a winner, then it's not a sport. So anything where you score points for "artistic merit" isn't a sport.

                                        Nonsense. Every large scale sport is based on rules that have no objectivity. There is no "objective" reason that a football player or a basketball player can't punch and kick an opposing player unconscious but there are certainly rules that disallow it.

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                                        Wjousts
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                                        Rubbish. There are rules spelt out in the rule book. And besides, I was talking about objectively declaring a winner. Which in any "real" sport is possible because one team has objectively scored more points (point scoring being objectively described in the RULE BOOK). Or in the case of a race, one participate objective crossed the finish line first.

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                                          Wjousts wrote:

                                          You can objectively declare a winner and a (bunch of) losers.

                                          So exactly what is the "objective" process that is used to determine the rules under which the participants must race?

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                                          Wjousts
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                                          They are in the rule book. They spell out exactly what qualifies or disqualifies you as a participant. The rules are decided ahead of time, are transparent to everybody and whether or not you are complying with those rules is not a matter of anybody subjective judgement. Your engine is either within the size range allowable or not. Your wheels are within the size range or not. You have the allowable wing area or not. You are old enough to race, or you are not. And besides, you are still missing the point. The point is whether you can objectively declare a winner, not what rules exist determining participation.

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