Runaway mind
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Hi , I would like to discuss something that has become painfully apparent to me recently, I don't know if any of you experienced the same problem. Sometimes while sitting in the huge spec meeting , usually when two managers discuss something arb like the submit button color and your thoughts drifts off and goes designing the software architecture and maybe some cool features while you might be missing some key information. Any tips tricks one can use to stay on the ball and keep your mind on the game before your hear the chairman point a question at you having the only words your heard "So what are your thoughts on the matter ? ". Also some funny moments from personal experience would also be interesting to hear. I was in high-school when i was in a physics lecture when the teacher saw me dozing off and called me out to solve some problems on the board , lucky for me I was far head in my studies so was able to take it from there but lesson learned that if it was chemistry I would have been royally screwed.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
Chona1171 wrote:
Sometimes while sitting in the huge spec meeting , usually when two managers discuss something arb like the submit button color
I'd quit and go work someplace without that crap.
Curvature of the Mind now with 3D
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Hi , I would like to discuss something that has become painfully apparent to me recently, I don't know if any of you experienced the same problem. Sometimes while sitting in the huge spec meeting , usually when two managers discuss something arb like the submit button color and your thoughts drifts off and goes designing the software architecture and maybe some cool features while you might be missing some key information. Any tips tricks one can use to stay on the ball and keep your mind on the game before your hear the chairman point a question at you having the only words your heard "So what are your thoughts on the matter ? ". Also some funny moments from personal experience would also be interesting to hear. I was in high-school when i was in a physics lecture when the teacher saw me dozing off and called me out to solve some problems on the board , lucky for me I was far head in my studies so was able to take it from there but lesson learned that if it was chemistry I would have been royally screwed.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
Notes man Notes, Seriously just as soon as your mind starts down that bad path. Note the path you were heading. Then immediately note the next point from the discussion. Start bouncing back and forth. Otherwise you are lost in both places. And who knows you might have been dreaming up something awesome.
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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Hi , I would like to discuss something that has become painfully apparent to me recently, I don't know if any of you experienced the same problem. Sometimes while sitting in the huge spec meeting , usually when two managers discuss something arb like the submit button color and your thoughts drifts off and goes designing the software architecture and maybe some cool features while you might be missing some key information. Any tips tricks one can use to stay on the ball and keep your mind on the game before your hear the chairman point a question at you having the only words your heard "So what are your thoughts on the matter ? ". Also some funny moments from personal experience would also be interesting to hear. I was in high-school when i was in a physics lecture when the teacher saw me dozing off and called me out to solve some problems on the board , lucky for me I was far head in my studies so was able to take it from there but lesson learned that if it was chemistry I would have been royally screwed.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
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Hi , I would like to discuss something that has become painfully apparent to me recently, I don't know if any of you experienced the same problem. Sometimes while sitting in the huge spec meeting , usually when two managers discuss something arb like the submit button color and your thoughts drifts off and goes designing the software architecture and maybe some cool features while you might be missing some key information. Any tips tricks one can use to stay on the ball and keep your mind on the game before your hear the chairman point a question at you having the only words your heard "So what are your thoughts on the matter ? ". Also some funny moments from personal experience would also be interesting to hear. I was in high-school when i was in a physics lecture when the teacher saw me dozing off and called me out to solve some problems on the board , lucky for me I was far head in my studies so was able to take it from there but lesson learned that if it was chemistry I would have been royally screwed.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
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Fall asleep so they know you aren't paying attention and don't ask you anything. Simple. :-D
The truth shall set you free. :)
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Hi , I would like to discuss something that has become painfully apparent to me recently, I don't know if any of you experienced the same problem. Sometimes while sitting in the huge spec meeting , usually when two managers discuss something arb like the submit button color and your thoughts drifts off and goes designing the software architecture and maybe some cool features while you might be missing some key information. Any tips tricks one can use to stay on the ball and keep your mind on the game before your hear the chairman point a question at you having the only words your heard "So what are your thoughts on the matter ? ". Also some funny moments from personal experience would also be interesting to hear. I was in high-school when i was in a physics lecture when the teacher saw me dozing off and called me out to solve some problems on the board , lucky for me I was far head in my studies so was able to take it from there but lesson learned that if it was chemistry I would have been royally screwed.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
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Hi , I would like to discuss something that has become painfully apparent to me recently, I don't know if any of you experienced the same problem. Sometimes while sitting in the huge spec meeting , usually when two managers discuss something arb like the submit button color and your thoughts drifts off and goes designing the software architecture and maybe some cool features while you might be missing some key information. Any tips tricks one can use to stay on the ball and keep your mind on the game before your hear the chairman point a question at you having the only words your heard "So what are your thoughts on the matter ? ". Also some funny moments from personal experience would also be interesting to hear. I was in high-school when i was in a physics lecture when the teacher saw me dozing off and called me out to solve some problems on the board , lucky for me I was far head in my studies so was able to take it from there but lesson learned that if it was chemistry I would have been royally screwed.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
My suggestion is to get married. Once you are married you learn to listen with out listening. That way you can day dream and still be able to answer questions.
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My suggestion is to get married. Once you are married you learn to listen with out listening. That way you can day dream and still be able to answer questions.
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Hi , I would like to discuss something that has become painfully apparent to me recently, I don't know if any of you experienced the same problem. Sometimes while sitting in the huge spec meeting , usually when two managers discuss something arb like the submit button color and your thoughts drifts off and goes designing the software architecture and maybe some cool features while you might be missing some key information. Any tips tricks one can use to stay on the ball and keep your mind on the game before your hear the chairman point a question at you having the only words your heard "So what are your thoughts on the matter ? ". Also some funny moments from personal experience would also be interesting to hear. I was in high-school when i was in a physics lecture when the teacher saw me dozing off and called me out to solve some problems on the board , lucky for me I was far head in my studies so was able to take it from there but lesson learned that if it was chemistry I would have been royally screwed.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
As soon as the meeting starts, I'm nodding off. IMHO, 80% of meetings are useless venues for useless people. The useful meetings that we have here, last about 20 mins tops. I know I didn't really answer your question, sorry about that. :)
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Nueman wrote:
"You're not listening to me."
My ex used to use this on me all the time. Every single time that she did, I repeated back to her word-for-word exactly what she had said. There is a good reason she is the ex wife.
Why is common sense not common? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level where they are an expert. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to be lazy Please stand in front of my pistol, smile and wait for the flash - JSOP 2012
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My suggestion is to get married. Once you are married you learn to listen with out listening. That way you can day dream and still be able to answer questions.
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Hi , I would like to discuss something that has become painfully apparent to me recently, I don't know if any of you experienced the same problem. Sometimes while sitting in the huge spec meeting , usually when two managers discuss something arb like the submit button color and your thoughts drifts off and goes designing the software architecture and maybe some cool features while you might be missing some key information. Any tips tricks one can use to stay on the ball and keep your mind on the game before your hear the chairman point a question at you having the only words your heard "So what are your thoughts on the matter ? ". Also some funny moments from personal experience would also be interesting to hear. I was in high-school when i was in a physics lecture when the teacher saw me dozing off and called me out to solve some problems on the board , lucky for me I was far head in my studies so was able to take it from there but lesson learned that if it was chemistry I would have been royally screwed.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
Chona1171 wrote:
like the submit button color
I hope you are exaggerating... that sounds pretty ridiculous. You should ask yourself the question whether it's actually your fault that you're falling asleep during such meetings. Part of being a good manager is being able to let other people make the right choices instead of trying to control everything. To my experience: If you're honest about how they should plan a meeting better instead of wasting everyone's time and energy with pointless discussions that should be taken by a designer in the first place, you will either earn respect; or they'll will be embarrassed/annoyed and that may lead to possibly getting fired. You have nothing to gain from working under an incompetent boss, so whatever happens is fine.
Giraffes are not real.
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The truth shall set you free. :)
But it will make you miserable first.
BDF I often make very large prints from unexposed film, and every one of them turns out to be a picture of myself as I once dreamed I would be. -- BillWoodruff
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As soon as the meeting starts, I'm nodding off. IMHO, 80% of meetings are useless venues for useless people. The useful meetings that we have here, last about 20 mins tops. I know I didn't really answer your question, sorry about that. :)
The way I usually see it is that laziness is just another form of efficiency (with exceptions of course) But here's why i really don't like meetings But engineers and software developers alike usually adapt techniques to be able to comprehend evaluate and solve problems using as little time possible , mostly due to the fact of being notified about a project 2 months ago and getting the signed off spec sheet with a "Can you do this?" 2 weeks before the deadline) But in short our minds think optimally and instead of sitting in a 4 hour meeting 3 times a week one can really just receive a bullet point summary of what to do which is less than a page and takes 3 minutes to read. That way we can all work more efficiently and also leaves a nice paper trail for the 1 day before a deadline "but we also need this function built in , somebody mentioned it on one of the meetings. . ." kind of nightmares.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
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Hi , I would like to discuss something that has become painfully apparent to me recently, I don't know if any of you experienced the same problem. Sometimes while sitting in the huge spec meeting , usually when two managers discuss something arb like the submit button color and your thoughts drifts off and goes designing the software architecture and maybe some cool features while you might be missing some key information. Any tips tricks one can use to stay on the ball and keep your mind on the game before your hear the chairman point a question at you having the only words your heard "So what are your thoughts on the matter ? ". Also some funny moments from personal experience would also be interesting to hear. I was in high-school when i was in a physics lecture when the teacher saw me dozing off and called me out to solve some problems on the board , lucky for me I was far head in my studies so was able to take it from there but lesson learned that if it was chemistry I would have been royally screwed.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
Chona1171 wrote:
usually when two managers discuss something arb like the submit button color
"I'll implement a property and assign a new default-value once the winner of your petty little debate on personal preferences is known and sends me the favourite colour of his wife by email. Please, stop disturbing the working force." ..but then in a somewhat nicer tone and a more tactic choice of words :rolleyes: --edit My apologies if the attitude offends, but the waste of resources is huge and should be terminated. If they don't understand, ask each person what he/she costs per hour. Now explain them how much their debate on the colour just costed.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: if you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Chona1171 wrote:
like the submit button color
I hope you are exaggerating... that sounds pretty ridiculous. You should ask yourself the question whether it's actually your fault that you're falling asleep during such meetings. Part of being a good manager is being able to let other people make the right choices instead of trying to control everything. To my experience: If you're honest about how they should plan a meeting better instead of wasting everyone's time and energy with pointless discussions that should be taken by a designer in the first place, you will either earn respect; or they'll will be embarrassed/annoyed and that may lead to possibly getting fired. You have nothing to gain from working under an incompetent boss, so whatever happens is fine.
Giraffes are not real.
Well the new company i started working for is pretty cool in that regard , but its merely an example but it is noteworthy a couple of years ago I was working on a project where the color scheme and "dashboard layout" changed 4 times in a matter of 3 months , and i was sitting in 3 hour long webexes where this was the topic that covered the majority of the meeting, so yes I got annoyed with it. Needless to say that project didn't make it 1 inch off the ground. Lucky for me I quit the project before they where done with the spec phase.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
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Chona1171 wrote:
usually when two managers discuss something arb like the submit button color
"I'll implement a property and assign a new default-value once the winner of your petty little debate on personal preferences is known and sends me the favourite colour of his wife by email. Please, stop disturbing the working force." ..but then in a somewhat nicer tone and a more tactic choice of words :rolleyes: --edit My apologies if the attitude offends, but the waste of resources is huge and should be terminated. If they don't understand, ask each person what he/she costs per hour. Now explain them how much their debate on the colour just costed.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: if you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Nueman wrote:
"You're not listening to me."
My ex used to use this on me all the time. Every single time that she did, I repeated back to her word-for-word exactly what she had said. There is a good reason she is the ex wife.
Why is common sense not common? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level where they are an expert. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to be lazy Please stand in front of my pistol, smile and wait for the flash - JSOP 2012
Clever. How do you hit the rewind button without her noticing the audio recorder?
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Clever. How do you hit the rewind button without her noticing the audio recorder?
AspDotNetDev wrote:
audio recorder
You would use one of the digital recorders that you conceal in the palm of your hand. The real trick is to have the recording playback with her words in your voice....
Why is common sense not common? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level where they are an expert. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to be lazy Please stand in front of my pistol, smile and wait for the flash - JSOP 2012
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You make a good point. But its also good for a manager to be heard. and usually the problem being is that the mind tends to go faster than the speed of a meeting so after an hour most people tend to zone out.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
Chona1171 wrote:
the speed of a meeting so after an hour most people tend to zone out
Means most people are not part of the discussion. Put the things that are important for everybody on top of the agenda, end the meeting when that part is done. Have the rest discuss their things in-depth on their own, without keeping the rest of work and boring the crap out of everyone.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: if you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
