Slammin' the Apple announcment sticky
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I didn't vote on the post one way or the other. I use a Mac side by side with my PC in my home office. I like Apple products. (Which is different from saying I like Apple corporate marketing or Apple customer service.) I also like Microsoft. Except when I don't. So while I can understand the antipathy against Apple products here on CP, I do not share it.
What me worry?
Just yesterday I was thinking "whatever happened to Mad magazine". Now you've got me needing to Google. Procrastination, here I come. [Edit: Wow. I now wish I didn't. That's sad.]
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Will you stop teasing us over the Ultrabook challenge? I'm looking forward to it.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Will you stop teasing us over the Ultrabook challenge? I'm looking forward to it.
I have a feeling that the competition might be a little directed: I need a program that ... The task is to produce a program that ...
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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TPFKAPB wrote:
It is there to educate posters as to what is correct/expected behaviour.
And of course, everyone here is totally agreed upon what correct behavior is! :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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I'll facebook Tim Cook next time and get him to pony-up. He's so tight, though :rolleyes: So you see no opportunity in mobile device development? Nothing interesting in a device that hundreds of millions of people own, that has a fast chip, oodles of sensors, and is carried around almost 24hrs a day by people? I'm currently reviewing an Ultrabook as part of the Ultimate Code challenge[^], and I'm really, really, really excited about what we're going to see from developers. That we're finally seeing the capabilities that smartphones have had for years coming to laptops is awesome. But - the smartphones are still there and they can do amazing things and we're now seeing a complete new eco system evolve. My ultrabook and my phone can talk, my soon-to-be-delivered pebble smartwatch will talk to both, and control both. They will all be able to communicate with my bluetooth car stereo. They will all talk to my bike sensors and heartrate monitor. I love that all these devices (especially phones) are getting faster, and clearer, with better connectivity and sensors. I love it. Oh, and I have a desktop under my desk somewhere. It's 5 years old. I don't even care enough to upgrade it.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I don't think I'd be too happy to have invested months of my time building something (having paid for the privilege of doing so), only to find that apple has decided that what I've built might in some spurious way be considered to be in competition with one of their proprietary programs, and will not be allowed on the market. The apple model for software evolution is not a branch that I'm willing to swing to. I'm not up for letting my working life be defined by marketing morons from a company that I don't even work for.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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If ever there's a case for keeping downvotes it's got to be my sticky post yesterday regarding the Apple iPhone announcement. I'm amazed at the 1-votes. Where did the magic go, guys? Apple creates tech gadgets. Overpriced, overhyped, overhyperboly'd, sure. But they are gadgets and they are a way for developers to create applications that millions of people will use and enjoy. This isn't restricted to the iPhone, though. Android devices, Windows Phone, and Blackberries all provide the developer with the most interesting developer challenge and opportunity in the last decade. So I'm just curious: Do people hate Apple for being Apple? Hate the devices? Hate the hype? The OS? The development environment? The available apps? The design? Is it the tall poppy syndrome, or is it a feeling that other companies are more worthy of the over-the-top media attention? I don't want to start the same old boring religious war, and I'm not interested in discussions regarding the Reality Distortion Field since every single company does the same thing. I'd just like to know what, specifically, people dislike about an announcement regarding an Apple launch, but also what, specifically, you guys would be interested in hearing regarding Apple. And Google. And Samsung. And RIM. And whatever other handset make you care to name.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
May I suggest you remove voting from stickies. The Bugs & Suggestions is where they can comment and complain. A sticky is just a sticky. Don't give the masses ammo. :rose: Hmmm, we need a "peace out" icon for guys. The rose is too feminine and the other icons aren't appropriate. I could give you a sheep.
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May I suggest you remove voting from stickies. The Bugs & Suggestions is where they can comment and complain. A sticky is just a sticky. Don't give the masses ammo. :rose: Hmmm, we need a "peace out" icon for guys. The rose is too feminine and the other icons aren't appropriate. I could give you a sheep.
Any sheep being given out are the exclusive property of OG.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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BobJanova wrote:
I 1-voted it for the clear favouritism
It still doesn't make sense. The only stickies I've posted in the past for product launches have been Microsoft products. By posting one for Apple I'm actively now promoting other companies, and will continue to do so. This is actually the opposite of favouritism. I guess it's just because it was Apple since I am doubting if I'd posted a Samsung link there would have been the 1 votes. I accuse you, sir, of the bias ;)
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
The stickies that I've noticed in the past (and they're pretty rare) have been for development oriented things. VS, for example – this site is mostly aimed at people who use VS as part of their job, and so it makes sense to promote a new version of that. If you make one for a major release of .Net, or a C++ standards update, that would be sensible too, though personally I'd prefer them all to just go into Insider News. This one was a piece of consumer tech, though, so it's rather different. And, well, I might not have 1-voted a sticky about a Samsung Galaxy launch event, because they aren't so over-exposed already that I get annoyed with the very mention of their name, but I'd have questioned why it deserved one and no other company had done so before.
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If ever there's a case for keeping downvotes it's got to be my sticky post yesterday regarding the Apple iPhone announcement. I'm amazed at the 1-votes. Where did the magic go, guys? Apple creates tech gadgets. Overpriced, overhyped, overhyperboly'd, sure. But they are gadgets and they are a way for developers to create applications that millions of people will use and enjoy. This isn't restricted to the iPhone, though. Android devices, Windows Phone, and Blackberries all provide the developer with the most interesting developer challenge and opportunity in the last decade. So I'm just curious: Do people hate Apple for being Apple? Hate the devices? Hate the hype? The OS? The development environment? The available apps? The design? Is it the tall poppy syndrome, or is it a feeling that other companies are more worthy of the over-the-top media attention? I don't want to start the same old boring religious war, and I'm not interested in discussions regarding the Reality Distortion Field since every single company does the same thing. I'd just like to know what, specifically, people dislike about an announcement regarding an Apple launch, but also what, specifically, you guys would be interested in hearing regarding Apple. And Google. And Samsung. And RIM. And whatever other handset make you care to name.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
For me, why I dislike Apple is the barrier to entry for developing, the closed-boxed-ness of their devices and development process, and the general overpriced-ness. I voted it 1 because, well, it's feedback to as to what us users like. I voted it one because the users in the Lounge that are interested in the release are surely aware of it and where to watch it. I also feel that it was a little slanted because it is just one new generation of an existing product, not exactly groundbreaking. Was the same done for, or will be done for, the Wii, Samsung III, Google glasses, new XBox's/PS's, Samsung Tablet, Facebook Phone, Droid OS, .NET release that probably effects just as many developers as the new iPhone?
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If ever there's a case for keeping downvotes it's got to be my sticky post yesterday regarding the Apple iPhone announcement. I'm amazed at the 1-votes. Where did the magic go, guys? Apple creates tech gadgets. Overpriced, overhyped, overhyperboly'd, sure. But they are gadgets and they are a way for developers to create applications that millions of people will use and enjoy. This isn't restricted to the iPhone, though. Android devices, Windows Phone, and Blackberries all provide the developer with the most interesting developer challenge and opportunity in the last decade. So I'm just curious: Do people hate Apple for being Apple? Hate the devices? Hate the hype? The OS? The development environment? The available apps? The design? Is it the tall poppy syndrome, or is it a feeling that other companies are more worthy of the over-the-top media attention? I don't want to start the same old boring religious war, and I'm not interested in discussions regarding the Reality Distortion Field since every single company does the same thing. I'd just like to know what, specifically, people dislike about an announcement regarding an Apple launch, but also what, specifically, you guys would be interested in hearing regarding Apple. And Google. And Samsung. And RIM. And whatever other handset make you care to name.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
That sticky was fine with me, Chris; of course I have a hide that's turned teflon with age, so nothing sticks for long. Damn right it's an important announcement ! Similarly, the appearance (when it ships, and when people can fully test it) of the Nokia Lumia 920, and the upcoming MS Surface (when it ships, and when people can fully test it), and ... ditto ... the next-gen UltraBooks, will be widely significant in the geo-political battle in the arena of mobile/small-form-factor/Net Book for "world domination." In an "ideal world," I think your post might have turned into an excellent discussion (perhaps on a topic forum, rather than the Lounge ?) of what the best tools are for Windows devs who want to create IOS apps for varying sizes, models, and screen resolutions (buzzword: "responsive") of iWhatEvers, assuming they are willing to make some sacrifice (of performance ?), in order not to have to shift to Objective-C, think in brackets, rather than curly braces, and switch from Guinness to Cocoa. Keep on sticking-it to us, please, for right now many us (Win devs) are like rabbits at night on the highway, frozen, immobile, in the headlights of a monster semi-trailer truck (UK: "articulated lorry") bearing down on us at high-speed. We need a sharp pricking to get us hopping before we are turned into road-kill. best, Bill
"When it comes to atoms, language can be used only as in poetry. The poet, too, is not nearly so concerned with describing facts as with creating images." Niels Bohr
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May I suggest you remove voting from stickies. The Bugs & Suggestions is where they can comment and complain. A sticky is just a sticky. Don't give the masses ammo. :rose: Hmmm, we need a "peace out" icon for guys. The rose is too feminine and the other icons aren't appropriate. I could give you a sheep.
That would remove the fun - and why should I prevent members expressing an opinion on my posts? I'm not that special.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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That would remove the fun - and why should I prevent members expressing an opinion on my posts? I'm not that special.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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That sticky was fine with me, Chris; of course I have a hide that's turned teflon with age, so nothing sticks for long. Damn right it's an important announcement ! Similarly, the appearance (when it ships, and when people can fully test it) of the Nokia Lumia 920, and the upcoming MS Surface (when it ships, and when people can fully test it), and ... ditto ... the next-gen UltraBooks, will be widely significant in the geo-political battle in the arena of mobile/small-form-factor/Net Book for "world domination." In an "ideal world," I think your post might have turned into an excellent discussion (perhaps on a topic forum, rather than the Lounge ?) of what the best tools are for Windows devs who want to create IOS apps for varying sizes, models, and screen resolutions (buzzword: "responsive") of iWhatEvers, assuming they are willing to make some sacrifice (of performance ?), in order not to have to shift to Objective-C, think in brackets, rather than curly braces, and switch from Guinness to Cocoa. Keep on sticking-it to us, please, for right now many us (Win devs) are like rabbits at night on the highway, frozen, immobile, in the headlights of a monster semi-trailer truck (UK: "articulated lorry") bearing down on us at high-speed. We need a sharp pricking to get us hopping before we are turned into road-kill. best, Bill
"When it comes to atoms, language can be used only as in poetry. The poet, too, is not nearly so concerned with describing facts as with creating images." Niels Bohr
BillWoodruff wrote:
I think your post might have turned into an excellent discussion
I think it already has ;)
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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There's a couple of ways to take it when someone says you're [pause] "special" ;)
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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There's a couple of ways to take it when someone says you're [pause] "special" ;)
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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That sticky was fine with me, Chris; of course I have a hide that's turned teflon with age, so nothing sticks for long. Damn right it's an important announcement ! Similarly, the appearance (when it ships, and when people can fully test it) of the Nokia Lumia 920, and the upcoming MS Surface (when it ships, and when people can fully test it), and ... ditto ... the next-gen UltraBooks, will be widely significant in the geo-political battle in the arena of mobile/small-form-factor/Net Book for "world domination." In an "ideal world," I think your post might have turned into an excellent discussion (perhaps on a topic forum, rather than the Lounge ?) of what the best tools are for Windows devs who want to create IOS apps for varying sizes, models, and screen resolutions (buzzword: "responsive") of iWhatEvers, assuming they are willing to make some sacrifice (of performance ?), in order not to have to shift to Objective-C, think in brackets, rather than curly braces, and switch from Guinness to Cocoa. Keep on sticking-it to us, please, for right now many us (Win devs) are like rabbits at night on the highway, frozen, immobile, in the headlights of a monster semi-trailer truck (UK: "articulated lorry") bearing down on us at high-speed. We need a sharp pricking to get us hopping before we are turned into road-kill. best, Bill
"When it comes to atoms, language can be used only as in poetry. The poet, too, is not nearly so concerned with describing facts as with creating images." Niels Bohr
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If ever there's a case for keeping downvotes it's got to be my sticky post yesterday regarding the Apple iPhone announcement. I'm amazed at the 1-votes. Where did the magic go, guys? Apple creates tech gadgets. Overpriced, overhyped, overhyperboly'd, sure. But they are gadgets and they are a way for developers to create applications that millions of people will use and enjoy. This isn't restricted to the iPhone, though. Android devices, Windows Phone, and Blackberries all provide the developer with the most interesting developer challenge and opportunity in the last decade. So I'm just curious: Do people hate Apple for being Apple? Hate the devices? Hate the hype? The OS? The development environment? The available apps? The design? Is it the tall poppy syndrome, or is it a feeling that other companies are more worthy of the over-the-top media attention? I don't want to start the same old boring religious war, and I'm not interested in discussions regarding the Reality Distortion Field since every single company does the same thing. I'd just like to know what, specifically, people dislike about an announcement regarding an Apple launch, but also what, specifically, you guys would be interested in hearing regarding Apple. And Google. And Samsung. And RIM. And whatever other handset make you care to name.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Overpriced, overhyped, overhyperboly'd, sure.
The answer might be simpler than you think Chris, many of the community members are a smidgen jaded from the industry (hype, hyperbole, vapor ware, acronym soup, ect). Add in all of the hype and it starts becoming a poke an angry bear with a stick. Almost every where you look, you hear something about apples iPhone, as if it was the saving grace of humanity. I for one am a little tired of the hype, it’s a phone, a phone that almost needs app to do anything… Just my two cents :)
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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No but it gives you an idea. 1 down vote, ok you've posted something one person didn't like, probably ignore it. 5, 10 or 20 downvotes then that's definitely a message that what you have posted is probably 'frowned upon'.
That's not how I've observed voting occur in these forums. But then that's how it's in real life too.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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If ever there's a case for keeping downvotes it's got to be my sticky post yesterday regarding the Apple iPhone announcement. I'm amazed at the 1-votes. Where did the magic go, guys? Apple creates tech gadgets. Overpriced, overhyped, overhyperboly'd, sure. But they are gadgets and they are a way for developers to create applications that millions of people will use and enjoy. This isn't restricted to the iPhone, though. Android devices, Windows Phone, and Blackberries all provide the developer with the most interesting developer challenge and opportunity in the last decade. So I'm just curious: Do people hate Apple for being Apple? Hate the devices? Hate the hype? The OS? The development environment? The available apps? The design? Is it the tall poppy syndrome, or is it a feeling that other companies are more worthy of the over-the-top media attention? I don't want to start the same old boring religious war, and I'm not interested in discussions regarding the Reality Distortion Field since every single company does the same thing. I'd just like to know what, specifically, people dislike about an announcement regarding an Apple launch, but also what, specifically, you guys would be interested in hearing regarding Apple. And Google. And Samsung. And RIM. And whatever other handset make you care to name.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm amazed at the 1-votes. Where did the magic go, guys?
I don't 1 vote for stuff like that but the iPhone is not new. When it was introduce it was new. Now it is just marketing.
Chris Maunder wrote:
But they are gadgets and they are a way for developers to create applications that millions of people will use and enjoy.
But if you want to participate in that market then you must pass the Apple censorship.
Chris Maunder wrote:
So I'm just curious: Do people hate Apple for being Apple? Hate the devices? Hate the hype? The OS? The development environment? The available apps? The design? Is it the tall poppy syndrome, or is it a feeling that other companies are more worthy of the over-the-top media attention?
I don't care for their censorship. The marketing now has nothing to do with the "device". It has everything to do with the buzz. Similar to a new release by any manufactured boy band. And they are becoming dangerously close to becoming a monopoly.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm amazed at the 1-votes. Where did the magic go, guys?
I don't 1 vote for stuff like that but the iPhone is not new. When it was introduce it was new. Now it is just marketing.
Chris Maunder wrote:
But they are gadgets and they are a way for developers to create applications that millions of people will use and enjoy.
But if you want to participate in that market then you must pass the Apple censorship.
Chris Maunder wrote:
So I'm just curious: Do people hate Apple for being Apple? Hate the devices? Hate the hype? The OS? The development environment? The available apps? The design? Is it the tall poppy syndrome, or is it a feeling that other companies are more worthy of the over-the-top media attention?
I don't care for their censorship. The marketing now has nothing to do with the "device". It has everything to do with the buzz. Similar to a new release by any manufactured boy band. And they are becoming dangerously close to becoming a monopoly.
jschell wrote:
But if you want to participate in that market then you must pass the Apple censorship
Oh dear. Have you looked at how the Windows App store works? Or the Intel store? Or the moves Google is making to try and clean up the mess that is their store? I'm all for hearty debate, but we shouldn't have one yardstick for one company and another yard stick for another. It's funny, but it seems Apple is the new Microsoft.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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BillWoodruff wrote:
I think your post might have turned into an excellent discussion
I think it already has ;)
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
I think it already has ;)
For me, the discussion, to date, has been trivial, beating the same-old dead-horse of "which is more evil, MS or Apple," and will rapidly submerge in the Lounge-Swamp, where so much interesting technical content, that should go onto an appropriate technical forum, unfortunately, submerges (with the technical forums, in these cases, diluted in value). imho, the issue of what Windows devs are doing now, or may be able to do in the near future, to port existing, or create new, apps, using MS tools, that will run within IOS, or Android, performantly, is quite significant, and germane to MS devs' future in the mobile/small-form-factor phone/tablet/ultrabook touch-driven ... blah blah blah ... domain now so dominated at the high-end by Apple, and, in terms of sheer number of devices shipped, by Android: a topic worthy of its own Forum. But, I believe I've already expressed, several times, on the "Suggestions" Forum, my opinion that the Lounge needs the equivalent of a good old-fashioned Stalinist purge: Ooh, hey, here's a thought: let's have a forum called "Siberia," where all stale jokes posted on the Lounge are "exiled," as well as "gimme codez," and other totally inane posts, drunken fugal (in the psychiatric sense of that term) rambling, etc. go ! That some (many ?) of my own posts on the Lounge would certainly be subject to deportation to this "Gulag:" has crossed my mind. :) best, Bill
"When it comes to atoms, language can be used only as in poetry. The poet, too, is not nearly so concerned with describing facts as with creating images." Niels Bohr