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  • L loctrice

    I still find it odd that we have laws with prison terms for annoying someone online, but no defense from corporations. I was just considering this when I got an automated advertisement call on my cell phone from a blocked number.

    If it moves, compile it

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    wizardzz
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    You say corporations get the same rights as a person, but no retribution? It's almost like they right the laws.

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      Wonderful!!! Does Romania also goes by the name Utopia?

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      Andrei Straut
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      Nope. It does go by the name Dystopia most of the times, but this one actually worked, which surprised me as well

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      • W wizardzz

        You say corporations get the same rights as a person, but no retribution? It's almost like they right the laws.

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        loctrice
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        Lots of people talk about how registering here, or doing that, will cause them ALL to stop contacting you. Kinda makes sense when you look at the small group of people who have all the money in the country, and then you read posts like yours. I could save time and just call the guy in charge if I had his number. (Or put him in a choke hold after beating up all his security guards....something like that)

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        • W wizardzz

          You say corporations get the same rights as a person, but no retribution? It's almost like they right the laws.

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          TPFKAPB
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          Or even write them.

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            Or even write them.

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            wizardzz
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            Or both. I was thinking of corporate rights, brain fart.

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            • L Lost User

              [rant mode="on"] Advertising is way out of control in our country. Our capitalist system has a major downside and that is the ubiquitous, incessent nagging in the form of advertising that all of us must endure. I think the cynical, detached disposition of most of our children can be traced to the non-stop lying they've been exposed to since they've been old enough to stumble up to a TV screen and peer into it's vacuous depths. You aren't adequate. You aren't happy. You aren't real. ...until you buy our product. [rant mode="off"] I no longer watch network TV because of ads. I flip radio stations any time an ad comes on (or turn it off). I don't read billboards. I won't watch a video on the webnets if it's preceded by an ad. Elephant them all.

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              Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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              I don't have cable. But don't worry they still get you. Sometimes, when I buy a dvd, it is locked so you can't FF through the ads. What a crime.

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                [rant mode="on"] Advertising is way out of control in our country. Our capitalist system has a major downside and that is the ubiquitous, incessent nagging in the form of advertising that all of us must endure. I think the cynical, detached disposition of most of our children can be traced to the non-stop lying they've been exposed to since they've been old enough to stumble up to a TV screen and peer into it's vacuous depths. You aren't adequate. You aren't happy. You aren't real. ...until you buy our product. [rant mode="off"] I no longer watch network TV because of ads. I flip radio stations any time an ad comes on (or turn it off). I don't read billboards. I won't watch a video on the webnets if it's preceded by an ad. Elephant them all.

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                Michael Bergman
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                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                  I don't have cable. But don't worry they still get you. Sometimes, when I buy a dvd, it is locked so you can't FF through the ads. What a crime.

                  Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                  Lost User
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                  I feel that way about the Interpol/FBI warnings. It kills my head that I cannot view the parts of the DVD I want to view without sitting through that noise.

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                  • L loctrice

                    I still find it odd that we have laws with prison terms for annoying someone online, but no defense from corporations. I was just considering this when I got an automated advertisement call on my cell phone from a blocked number.

                    If it moves, compile it

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                    Tom Clement
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                    But corporations are people, so why can't we throw them in jail? Gotta love the supreme court.

                    Tom Clement Serena Software, Inc. www.serena.com articles[^]

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                      But corporations are people, so why can't we throw them in jail? Gotta love the supreme court.

                      Tom Clement Serena Software, Inc. www.serena.com articles[^]

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                      loctrice
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                      did they finally decide on that? I have trouble following dumb elephanting sunshine stories in the media , so I never saw.

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                      • L loctrice

                        did they finally decide on that? I have trouble following dumb elephanting sunshine stories in the media , so I never saw.

                        If it moves, compile it

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                        Tom Clement
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                        Oh yea, they did (Citizens United). And it's why corporations can now (because of their free speech rights) put billions of dollars into electing the folks who will make them happy.

                        Tom Clement Serena Software, Inc. www.serena.com articles[^]

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                        • L loctrice

                          I still find it odd that we have laws with prison terms for annoying someone online, but no defense from corporations. I was just considering this when I got an automated advertisement call on my cell phone from a blocked number.

                          If it moves, compile it

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                          jschell
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                          loctrice wrote:

                          I still find it odd that we have laws with prison terms for annoying someone online, but no defense from corporations.

                          In the US there are no laws about "annoying" someone. There are laws about stalking, harassement and libel. Although libel isn't new. And for the other two there are laws which preclude those outside of online communication as well.

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                          • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                            What pisses me off even more is that I've entered my number 4-5 times in the National Do Not Call registry and it lasts for about 1-2 months then I start getting calls again.

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                            jschell
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                            Mike Hankey wrote:

                            What pisses me off even more is that I've entered my number 4-5 times in the National Do Not Call registry and it lasts for about 1-2 months then I start getting calls again.

                            Are you sure about the context? First of course is that charitable and political organizations are excluded. Also those that have any existing business relationship with you are also excluded. If they are outside of that then you can look into your state laws which allow you personally to collect significant sums for each individual call.

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                            • L Lost User

                              [rant mode="on"] Advertising is way out of control in our country. Our capitalist system has a major downside and that is the ubiquitous, incessent nagging in the form of advertising that all of us must endure. I think the cynical, detached disposition of most of our children can be traced to the non-stop lying they've been exposed to since they've been old enough to stumble up to a TV screen and peer into it's vacuous depths. You aren't adequate. You aren't happy. You aren't real. ...until you buy our product. [rant mode="off"] I no longer watch network TV because of ads. I flip radio stations any time an ad comes on (or turn it off). I don't read billboards. I won't watch a video on the webnets if it's preceded by an ad. Elephant them all.

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                              jschell
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                              MehGerbil wrote:

                              Our capitalist system has a major downside ... form of advertising

                              In the US that is allowed via the freedom of speech clause in the Constitution. As with other rights there are downsides to all of them.

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                                MehGerbil wrote:

                                Our capitalist system has a major downside ... form of advertising

                                In the US that is allowed via the freedom of speech clause in the Constitution. As with other rights there are downsides to all of them.

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                                ekolis
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                                Freedom of speech? Hey, with the amount that's left, it might be worth giving it up for getting rid of ads...

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                                • W wizardzz

                                  You say corporations get the same rights as a person, but no retribution? It's almost like they right the laws.

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                                  ekolis
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                                  I still think that corporate buyouts should be illegal under the 14th Amendment, which prohibits slavery...

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                                    loctrice wrote:

                                    I still find it odd that we have laws with prison terms for annoying someone online, but no defense from corporations.

                                    In the US there are no laws about "annoying" someone. There are laws about stalking, harassement and libel. Although libel isn't new. And for the other two there are laws which preclude those outside of online communication as well.

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                                    ekolis
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                                    Speaking of libel, if I say that Apple makes iPhones using Chinese slave labor, is that libel? Because it's only NOT libel if it's true, and they DO pay the Chinese workers...

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                                      [rant mode="on"] Advertising is way out of control in our country. Our capitalist system has a major downside and that is the ubiquitous, incessent nagging in the form of advertising that all of us must endure. I think the cynical, detached disposition of most of our children can be traced to the non-stop lying they've been exposed to since they've been old enough to stumble up to a TV screen and peer into it's vacuous depths. You aren't adequate. You aren't happy. You aren't real. ...until you buy our product. [rant mode="off"] I no longer watch network TV because of ads. I flip radio stations any time an ad comes on (or turn it off). I don't read billboards. I won't watch a video on the webnets if it's preceded by an ad. Elephant them all.

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                                      Mark_Wallace
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                                      No end of studies have resulted in the finding that marketing is the major cause of unhappiness in the West. Money shortage? Not a problem, unless you're hit by piles of marketing. Marital problems? Most of them are caused by materialistic desires, inspired by... What could it be, now? Death and bereavement? These don't actually make people as unhappy as you would expect. They're way low down in the order, in the "what makes your life miserable" stakes. Being sad about loss and missing people doesn't actually make your life worse -- but if a marketing campaign blasted out that you must have at least two gramdmas, that would make you miserable. Believing that you need what you don't need is what makes you miserable, and marketing is all about making you believe that. Take 'em all out an shoot 'em, for the misery they cause.

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                                      • E ekolis

                                        Speaking of libel, if I say that Apple makes iPhones using Chinese slave labor, is that libel? Because it's only NOT libel if it's true, and they DO pay the Chinese workers...

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                                        jschell
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                                        Libel would come about if the offended party took offense and then took you to court and won. Other than that... - Given that they are produced in China, naturally the laborers are mostly or entirely Chinese. - Given the current econoics in China the workers are most likely getting paid at least an average wage. - And the workers are free to quit the job when they want. So it would certainly appear that if you made that statement it would be libel.

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                                        • E ekolis

                                          Freedom of speech? Hey, with the amount that's left, it might be worth giving it up for getting rid of ads...

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                                          jschell
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                                          ekolis wrote:

                                          Hey, with the amount that's left,

                                          Not sure what you mean, however in the US currently there is an unprecedented right to free speech, more so than in any time in the past and more so than even in the relatively recent past. Certainly more so for example than in 1950 and probably measurably compared to 1970. And vastly more possibilities for dessiminating it as well in just the past 50 years.

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