Sharp Develop - a viable alternative to all the Visual Studio nonsense?
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Can you do WPF (designer) with Sharp Develop?
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It's been a while since I looked at SD, but did so just a few minutes ago and I'm impressed. Integrated debugging, support for F# and some other plugins, but best of all, a simple, clean, IDE. No monotonic colors, no SHOUTING menus, it's like what the IDE used to be in the days of VS2005/8. And frankly, it looks like it meets all my needs: compile the damn code and let me debug it!!! Granted, I haven't played around with it seriously yet, but it did compile a large client-server project without any issues. So, here I was, thinking, I'm really getting tired of being jerked around by Microsoft and their ever-changing look&feel and all BS features that I don't use, what would it take to put together a functional IDE, which led me to check out what Sharp Develop has been up to. So far, I'm impressed. A little more investigation, and I'll be ready to ditch Visual Studio for good. Haven't successfully built the thing from source code yet though. :rolleyes: Marc
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Computational Types in C# and F#For most reasonable applications, yes, definitely. Its debugger used to be missing (v1) and then broken (v2), but it seems to be pretty good in v4. I use SharpDevelop at home because it is much less bloated than VS (which my computer won't really run) and because it is free for the fully functional version, and it is very good these days. The debugger isn't as fully featured as VS's but it is quite sufficient for what you'd normally want to do. I'm not sure how much of the magic code generation for things like WCF service endpoints it has, so there may be situations where it is a bit annoying to use. But for a normal application it is fine. I believe it does allow you to design WPF/Silverlight applications satisfactorily in v4, though I've not tried it.
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It's been a while since I looked at SD, but did so just a few minutes ago and I'm impressed. Integrated debugging, support for F# and some other plugins, but best of all, a simple, clean, IDE. No monotonic colors, no SHOUTING menus, it's like what the IDE used to be in the days of VS2005/8. And frankly, it looks like it meets all my needs: compile the damn code and let me debug it!!! Granted, I haven't played around with it seriously yet, but it did compile a large client-server project without any issues. So, here I was, thinking, I'm really getting tired of being jerked around by Microsoft and their ever-changing look&feel and all BS features that I don't use, what would it take to put together a functional IDE, which led me to check out what Sharp Develop has been up to. So far, I'm impressed. A little more investigation, and I'll be ready to ditch Visual Studio for good. Haven't successfully built the thing from source code yet though. :rolleyes: Marc
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Computational Types in C# and F#They may be jerking somebody around but only those who have to buy the latest thing all the time. My copy of VS2008 works fine. -cb
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It's been a while since I looked at SD, but did so just a few minutes ago and I'm impressed. Integrated debugging, support for F# and some other plugins, but best of all, a simple, clean, IDE. No monotonic colors, no SHOUTING menus, it's like what the IDE used to be in the days of VS2005/8. And frankly, it looks like it meets all my needs: compile the damn code and let me debug it!!! Granted, I haven't played around with it seriously yet, but it did compile a large client-server project without any issues. So, here I was, thinking, I'm really getting tired of being jerked around by Microsoft and their ever-changing look&feel and all BS features that I don't use, what would it take to put together a functional IDE, which led me to check out what Sharp Develop has been up to. So far, I'm impressed. A little more investigation, and I'll be ready to ditch Visual Studio for good. Haven't successfully built the thing from source code yet though. :rolleyes: Marc
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Computational Types in C# and F#I had a play with it about a year or so ago on my old PC but haven't looked at it since. However, I was impressed then and I do subscribe to their blog to keep abreast of what they're up to. Daniel Grunwald does post here occasionally doesn't he? maybe lower in the thread, I haven't checked.
Kevin
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It's been a while since I looked at SD, but did so just a few minutes ago and I'm impressed. Integrated debugging, support for F# and some other plugins, but best of all, a simple, clean, IDE. No monotonic colors, no SHOUTING menus, it's like what the IDE used to be in the days of VS2005/8. And frankly, it looks like it meets all my needs: compile the damn code and let me debug it!!! Granted, I haven't played around with it seriously yet, but it did compile a large client-server project without any issues. So, here I was, thinking, I'm really getting tired of being jerked around by Microsoft and their ever-changing look&feel and all BS features that I don't use, what would it take to put together a functional IDE, which led me to check out what Sharp Develop has been up to. So far, I'm impressed. A little more investigation, and I'll be ready to ditch Visual Studio for good. Haven't successfully built the thing from source code yet though. :rolleyes: Marc
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Computational Types in C# and F#Marc Clifton wrote:
No monotonic colors, no SHOUTING menus, it's like what the IDE used to be in the days of VS2005/8
You can largely get back the VS 2010 look and feel, though some don't like that either - and get rid of the upper case menus. Colorful Themes[^]
Kevin
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It's been a while since I looked at SD, but did so just a few minutes ago and I'm impressed. Integrated debugging, support for F# and some other plugins, but best of all, a simple, clean, IDE. No monotonic colors, no SHOUTING menus, it's like what the IDE used to be in the days of VS2005/8. And frankly, it looks like it meets all my needs: compile the damn code and let me debug it!!! Granted, I haven't played around with it seriously yet, but it did compile a large client-server project without any issues. So, here I was, thinking, I'm really getting tired of being jerked around by Microsoft and their ever-changing look&feel and all BS features that I don't use, what would it take to put together a functional IDE, which led me to check out what Sharp Develop has been up to. So far, I'm impressed. A little more investigation, and I'll be ready to ditch Visual Studio for good. Haven't successfully built the thing from source code yet though. :rolleyes: Marc
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Computational Types in C# and F#Yes, but does it BRIEF? VD 2008 was the last to support BRIEF keystrokes in any halfway reasonable manner.
Do we weigh less at high tide?
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It's been a while since I looked at SD, but did so just a few minutes ago and I'm impressed. Integrated debugging, support for F# and some other plugins, but best of all, a simple, clean, IDE. No monotonic colors, no SHOUTING menus, it's like what the IDE used to be in the days of VS2005/8. And frankly, it looks like it meets all my needs: compile the damn code and let me debug it!!! Granted, I haven't played around with it seriously yet, but it did compile a large client-server project without any issues. So, here I was, thinking, I'm really getting tired of being jerked around by Microsoft and their ever-changing look&feel and all BS features that I don't use, what would it take to put together a functional IDE, which led me to check out what Sharp Develop has been up to. So far, I'm impressed. A little more investigation, and I'll be ready to ditch Visual Studio for good. Haven't successfully built the thing from source code yet though. :rolleyes: Marc
Reverse Engineering Legacy Applications
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Computational Types in C# and F#Unless you want to develop applications for Windows 8 Modern UI, then youn can throw VS aside, otherwise, you have no choice but go with VS 2012. :sigh:
CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...
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It's been a while since I looked at SD, but did so just a few minutes ago and I'm impressed. Integrated debugging, support for F# and some other plugins, but best of all, a simple, clean, IDE. No monotonic colors, no SHOUTING menus, it's like what the IDE used to be in the days of VS2005/8. And frankly, it looks like it meets all my needs: compile the damn code and let me debug it!!! Granted, I haven't played around with it seriously yet, but it did compile a large client-server project without any issues. So, here I was, thinking, I'm really getting tired of being jerked around by Microsoft and their ever-changing look&feel and all BS features that I don't use, what would it take to put together a functional IDE, which led me to check out what Sharp Develop has been up to. So far, I'm impressed. A little more investigation, and I'll be ready to ditch Visual Studio for good. Haven't successfully built the thing from source code yet though. :rolleyes: Marc
Reverse Engineering Legacy Applications
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Computational Types in C# and F#1. Are there any test runners or, better still, continuous test tools to plugin to it? Such as Test-driven, NCrunch, ... 2. What about source code integration. E.g. does it have an Ankh plugin. I might not use many VS features but the ones I do use I absolutely must have. Besides most people here have VS paid for them by employers. - When I meet someone who's been happily using SD for several weeks I'll consider swapping. I'm not keen on 1-day stands.
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Same here... Been a while since I checked out SD... And when I did, I wasn't that impressed. It had potential, but despite my dislike of Microsoft, Visual Studio just had a much better feel to it. If that's changed, well... Time to take another look.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Wow, If you dislike Visual Studio I'm very curious to know what IDE you like... Netbeans, Eclipse maybe? In my opinion, despite the humps and bumps, Visual Studio is a great IDE and very easy to use, with many features that save me a lot of time. I'm yet to find an IDE as good as it.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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It's been a while since I looked at SD, but did so just a few minutes ago and I'm impressed. Integrated debugging, support for F# and some other plugins, but best of all, a simple, clean, IDE. No monotonic colors, no SHOUTING menus, it's like what the IDE used to be in the days of VS2005/8. And frankly, it looks like it meets all my needs: compile the damn code and let me debug it!!! Granted, I haven't played around with it seriously yet, but it did compile a large client-server project without any issues. So, here I was, thinking, I'm really getting tired of being jerked around by Microsoft and their ever-changing look&feel and all BS features that I don't use, what would it take to put together a functional IDE, which led me to check out what Sharp Develop has been up to. So far, I'm impressed. A little more investigation, and I'll be ready to ditch Visual Studio for good. Haven't successfully built the thing from source code yet though. :rolleyes: Marc
Reverse Engineering Legacy Applications
How To Think Like a Functional Programmer
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Computational Types in C# and F#Everyone's needs are different, how would you feel if a feature you use would disappear? Much worse don't you think? Everyone that uses VS today will have several features they don't use, but every person has different needs, if visual studio got too stripped down, you would see lots of people screaming that they cannot do what they did before. I've used SD a little after VS 2008 was launched. It lacked a lot of stuff that I used on a daily basis, so I dropped it. I don't know how it is today, maybe I will check again. But hey, you will only know that SD delivers if you start working with it. That's the only way you will know that it has all the features you want/need. If it was only about code compilation it wouldn't be an IDE, it would be a visual compiler.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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1. Are there any test runners or, better still, continuous test tools to plugin to it? Such as Test-driven, NCrunch, ... 2. What about source code integration. E.g. does it have an Ankh plugin. I might not use many VS features but the ones I do use I absolutely must have. Besides most people here have VS paid for them by employers. - When I meet someone who's been happily using SD for several weeks I'll consider swapping. I'm not keen on 1-day stands.
Exactly. It's like test-driving a car and decide to buy it without knowing it better. All of the sudden you discover that you need a gas station every 100 miles.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Wow, If you dislike Visual Studio I'm very curious to know what IDE you like... Netbeans, Eclipse maybe? In my opinion, despite the humps and bumps, Visual Studio is a great IDE and very easy to use, with many features that save me a lot of time. I'm yet to find an IDE as good as it.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
Uh, read my post again, and pay attention to punctuation. I dislike Microsoft in general, but not Visual Studio specifically.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Uh, read my post again, and pay attention to punctuation. I dislike Microsoft in general, but not Visual Studio specifically.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Uhhh, sorry, this new look of CP made the comma very slightly noticeable after the letter t. Microsoft, making the comma unnoticeable :)
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Uhhh, sorry, this new look of CP made the comma very slightly noticeable after the letter t. Microsoft, making the comma unnoticeable :)
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
Yeah, it does have its issues...
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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It's been a while since I looked at SD, but did so just a few minutes ago and I'm impressed. Integrated debugging, support for F# and some other plugins, but best of all, a simple, clean, IDE. No monotonic colors, no SHOUTING menus, it's like what the IDE used to be in the days of VS2005/8. And frankly, it looks like it meets all my needs: compile the damn code and let me debug it!!! Granted, I haven't played around with it seriously yet, but it did compile a large client-server project without any issues. So, here I was, thinking, I'm really getting tired of being jerked around by Microsoft and their ever-changing look&feel and all BS features that I don't use, what would it take to put together a functional IDE, which led me to check out what Sharp Develop has been up to. So far, I'm impressed. A little more investigation, and I'll be ready to ditch Visual Studio for good. Haven't successfully built the thing from source code yet though. :rolleyes: Marc
Reverse Engineering Legacy Applications
How To Think Like a Functional Programmer
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Computational Types in C# and F#SD can be good, but guess quality of FOSS software and commercial! It's a huge difference... I also tried SD long time ago and, while a whole IDE looked same as VS, many small annoyances broke all my beliefs. Above "edit" and "debug" there is million stuff you use and even don't notice: intellisense, "Find all references", struct of project/solution, handlers autogeneration, methods signature hint, live XAML editing, etc, etc. If IDE lacks of my everyday helpers, rather I'll be patient with VS than "enjoying" design of another IDE.
