Sun does not like its own medicine.

[Giles]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7601[^] Its what everyone has known for ages.

[Anna Jayne Metcalfe]

Lol :laugh: It certainly is! Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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[Philip Patrick]

Giles wrote: Its what everyone has known for ages. Yep, but some said finally posted it :) Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer

[Alex E]

java is 12 times fast than c++[^]:laugh:

[Anthony Roach]

Ummm the joke is that Sun Developed Java. Just checking but from your response I guess you might not of heard. As for your example if I could be bothered it would take nanoseconds to provide an example that proves the exact opposite of that one. Anthony www.TonysOpenSource.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

[ColinDavies]

OMG: We had all better go save jave from becoming obsolete. You would have thought if JAVA was that much better then it would have had no worries about survival. Regardz Colin J Davies

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I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

[Jon]

If you read the entire thread you'll notice that the initial test is very flawed (it all gets optimized away), a more reasonable test towards the end of the thread showed that (predicitably) C++ is faster than Java.

[Giles]

Yep. The guy was an amature. I liked the first poster. He was very patient in his reply explaining that benchmaring was something that should be undertaken without a real understanding of the method used.

[Giles]

Yes. But we all get those kind of people. Bless'em. :-D

[benjymous]

Exactly. If you know two languages well then you'll be able to find an example that one does well at and one struggles with. If it's a tiny task that would normally only occur very occasionally then it really isn't going to make an impact. This is why benchmarks tend to be considered bad, as they'll only prove what the person who wrote the benchmark wanted to prove -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

[ColinDavies]

benjymous wrote: This is why benchmarks tend to be considered bad, as they'll only prove what the person who wrote the benchmark wanted to prove Well sometimes it does show the person who wrote the benchmark can't write benchmarks to prove what they wanted as well. :-) I'd rather see an independent problem posted by an independent then see two groups work head to head to have the best solution. Although this still is flawed and will not prove anything conclusively. Regardz Colin J Davies

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I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

[Marc Clifton]

One problem is that every Java program relies on the installed Java Runtime Environment, and when packages are issued every four or five months, they destroy existing packages and can't be back-graded to the prior install. Let's see if Microsoft can avoid this with the .NET framework. It doesn't look good so far, in my opinion. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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[Felix Gartsman]

Jon wrote: a more reasonable test towards the end of the thread showed that (predicitably) C++ is faster than Java. Actually Java can outperform C++ in real applications. But Sun/MS JVMs are too weak for this. Research JVMs can perform much better with tweaks for specific applications. Which is related to second issue of programming style. How many know/understand how to program for GC environments? My bet is 0.1% of those using Java. Same goes for C#.

[Senkwe Chanda]

Hmmm, I have a hard time believing that those comments came from a Sun engineer. They don't seem to be well informed in the least. He says "Sun engineers think that Solaris gets in the way of implementing many software applications" It would be interesting to find out WHICH applications he's talking about. If he's talking about Java being too slow for some types of applications, well they've known that from the beginning. He says "A large number of bugs in Java end up being labelled unfixable compared to a much smaller number for C++." Dunno. It's hard to say what this means. C++ has been around longer than Java. *shrug* And the rest of the article just seems very amateurish. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff

[Richard Deeming]

Marc Clifton wrote: It doesn't look good so far, in my opinion. :confused: Looking at the list of breaking changes for v1.1, I can't see anything major. http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/changeinfo/Backwards1.0to1.1/default.aspx[^]

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[Marc Clifton]

Ah, I understand your confusion. I wasn't refering to the feature list, but to the likelihood of .NET framework updates every 3-6 months. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

[Senkwe Chanda]

Are you talking about running apps built with different framework versions on the same machine? ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff

[Marc Clifton]

Not just that. In some lounge discussions, several people have pointed out the corporate reluctance to deal the issue of upgrades, the 20MB footprint, framework instabilities, and other maintenance issues. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

[Senkwe Chanda]

Felix Gartsman wrote: Actually Java can outperform C++ in real applications You mean badly written or non-optimized C++ applications. But that's good enough in most cases anyway :-) ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff

[Kastellanos Nikos]

Felix Gartsman wrote: Actually Java can outperform C++ in real applications. No Way!!! ;P :laugh: Felix Gartsman wrote: Research JVMs can perform much better with tweaks for specific applications. No problem with that. Allready every decent JAVA applications installs it's own copy of prefered JRE version, why not install it's very own tweaked implementation? I must been stupid for programming in C++, since JAVA is both simpler and faster. :rolleyes: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Memory leaks is the price we pay \0 01234567890123456789012345678901234