For you no guns solution people
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For me, a couple of mass shootings per year *is* a lot. And there's the nub of the issue: is a couple of mass shootings per year an acceptable price to pay for your 'right to bear arms'? As long as the majority decide that it is, you'll carry on getting a couple of mass shootings each year.
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Smart K8 wrote:
Read these, if you are able to step past your determination that you're - of course - right:
Two of the three have nothing to do with other countries. The first doesn't demonstrate a direct correlation but merely demonstrates more. And I never said that wasn't the case.
Smart K8 wrote:
It's not that easy of a correlation. There are many underlaying factors
I agree. Which one might suppose is why I specifically said "direct correlation".
Smart K8 wrote:
As I already said. It works in Europe and Japan (because you really can't - or rather want - to compare US to third world countries)
And my point now and then is that there is a different culture in other countries. How many bar brawls do you think happen in Japan versus the US? In comparing the US and the UK how many bar brawls do you think degenerate in to one or more people wanting to seriously injure the other party? (Certainly one UK citizen told me that he was completely surprised how US bar fights were more intense and violent than UK ones.)
OK, let's play your game. Can you then please show me the study to confirm a direct correlation, that the culture is the cause? (moreover in favor of the current situation, not just any type of correlation) Because there are plenty studies showing that availability is one of the major factors. The conclusion that culture is the cause can probably explain (partially) the 200 times more gun induced deaths in comparison to Japan. But it is hardly different from all the cultures in the world. The major cultural difference would be probably the increased need to own a gun, thus proving my point about availability causes. But I guess the study you'll show me, will probably have roots of culture difference causing this pinpointed. :) regards, Kate
The wisdom is to see things truthfully.
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It's a perfect time. As I said to Nish, the "intent" takes issue with me, not the gun laws. I gave the stabbing link, which many in China actually end up in death, as an example of mass harm to children, without a gun. You don't need a gun, to harm.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'd rather face a madman with a knife
I would pay good money to see this.
I meant if I must face a madman, I'd rather he not have a gun, than me have one, too.
Slacker007 wrote:
You don't need a gun, to harm.
This statement is both true, and stupid. If you joined the army, would you expect to be given a gun, or would you say 'I don't need a gun to harm people' ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I meant if I must face a madman, I'd rather he not have a gun, than me have one, too.
Slacker007 wrote:
You don't need a gun, to harm.
This statement is both true, and stupid. If you joined the army, would you expect to be given a gun, or would you say 'I don't need a gun to harm people' ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Of course. Because you're an idiot.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Of course. Because you're an idiot.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
It's amazing isn't it? The complete suspension of all logic and reason in favor of an old document, written in a different time, and by men who's intentions we can only guess at and who could never have guessed at the world we find ourselves living in today.
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It's amazing isn't it? The complete suspension of all logic and reason in favor of an old document, written in a different time, and by men who's intentions we can only guess at and who could never have guessed at the world we find ourselves living in today.
I think anyone with grade 3 English can see that the original intent was not what is defended today
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I think anyone with grade 3 English can see that the original intent was not what is defended today
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I think anyone with grade 3 English can see that the original intent was not what is defended today
So those defending it are incapable of comprehension at a grade 3 level? I suspect that's not the case and in fact they've suspended all reason due to indoctrination. That's a lot easier to do when you can defend your point of view with "it is written...". It all seems very familiar to me.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I think anyone with grade 3 English can see that the original intent was not what is defended today
So those defending it are incapable of comprehension at a grade 3 level? I suspect that's not the case and in fact they've suspended all reason due to indoctrination. That's a lot easier to do when you can defend your point of view with "it is written...". It all seems very familiar to me.
Yes, I agree. The issue is not general stupidity, but a blind spot due to indoctrination. I meant a grade 3 reader with no preconceived ideas.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Yes, I agree. The issue is not general stupidity, but a blind spot due to indoctrination. I meant a grade 3 reader with no preconceived ideas.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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*grin* yes, because it's not apt in any way I can think of :-)
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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*grin* yes, because it's not apt in any way I can think of :-)
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
*grin* yes, because it's not apt in any way I can think of
Really? You don't think there's some similarity between someone who say, rejects gay marriage, because they interpret the bible as saying it is unholy and someone like John Simonds who'd rather see kids educated remotely, in isolation from each other, as a solution to them being killed at a school because his revered constitution can't be challenged? Or someone that says the odd mass killing is a reasonable price to pay for their 'freedom'?
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Christian Graus wrote:
*grin* yes, because it's not apt in any way I can think of
Really? You don't think there's some similarity between someone who say, rejects gay marriage, because they interpret the bible as saying it is unholy and someone like John Simonds who'd rather see kids educated remotely, in isolation from each other, as a solution to them being killed at a school because his revered constitution can't be challenged? Or someone that says the odd mass killing is a reasonable price to pay for their 'freedom'?
Well, perhaps. I can see a definite connection between religion and the US view on guns. I thought you were trying to be pointed about something *I* believe.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Well, perhaps. I can see a definite connection between religion and the US view on guns. I thought you were trying to be pointed about something *I* believe.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I thought you were trying to be pointed about something *I* believe.
I don't know the specifics of what you believe. I chose the gay marriage thing as an example because I know you reject that specific idea and I thought it would be less confrontational allowing you to better see my point. My point is more general though, if you accept an idea solely because it is written in a venerated document then you must suspend reason and logic in the face of evidence to the contrary.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I thought you were trying to be pointed about something *I* believe.
I don't know the specifics of what you believe. I chose the gay marriage thing as an example because I know you reject that specific idea and I thought it would be less confrontational allowing you to better see my point. My point is more general though, if you accept an idea solely because it is written in a venerated document then you must suspend reason and logic in the face of evidence to the contrary.
_Josh_ wrote:
I chose the gay marriage thing as an example because I know you reject that specific idea and I thought it would be less confrontational allowing you to better see my point.
I think gay marriage in general is a dumb idea only because I think it's part of an overall campaign to get a minority group special treatment. As a christian, I don't care that people are gay, nor do I want to single them out in any negative way.
_Josh_ wrote:
My point is more general though, if you accept an idea solely because it is written in a venerated document then you must suspend reason and logic in the face of evidence to the contrary.
Sure. Like people who start museums to prove the world is 6000 years old, because they incorrectly believe the Bible says that ? I talked about that in church on sunday, actually.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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_Josh_ wrote:
I chose the gay marriage thing as an example because I know you reject that specific idea and I thought it would be less confrontational allowing you to better see my point.
I think gay marriage in general is a dumb idea only because I think it's part of an overall campaign to get a minority group special treatment. As a christian, I don't care that people are gay, nor do I want to single them out in any negative way.
_Josh_ wrote:
My point is more general though, if you accept an idea solely because it is written in a venerated document then you must suspend reason and logic in the face of evidence to the contrary.
Sure. Like people who start museums to prove the world is 6000 years old, because they incorrectly believe the Bible says that ? I talked about that in church on sunday, actually.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Like people who start museums to prove the world is 6000 years old, because they incorrectly believe the Bible says that ?
But it's not because they incorrectly believe, it's because they have 'faith'. Reason is suspended.
Faith is the origin of their incorrect belief, but the fact is, the Bible still does not say that.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Faith is the origin of their incorrect belief, but the fact is, the Bible still does not say that.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Faith is the origin of their incorrect belief, but the fact is, the Bible still does not say that.
Is there an example of something the bible does say that is now known to be incorrect?
I would agree that any reasonable reading of Gen 1 has God creating the world in 6 literal days, and that the only reason people look for ways for it to not say that, is that it is plainly not true.
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That's pretty much the stupidest thing I've seen posted on CodeProject.
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