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Christian Graus wrote:
I think anyone with grade 3 English can see that the original intent was not what is defended today
So those defending it are incapable of comprehension at a grade 3 level? I suspect that's not the case and in fact they've suspended all reason due to indoctrination. That's a lot easier to do when you can defend your point of view with "it is written...". It all seems very familiar to me.
Yes, I agree. The issue is not general stupidity, but a blind spot due to indoctrination. I meant a grade 3 reader with no preconceived ideas.
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Yes, I agree. The issue is not general stupidity, but a blind spot due to indoctrination. I meant a grade 3 reader with no preconceived ideas.
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*grin* yes, because it's not apt in any way I can think of :-)
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*grin* yes, because it's not apt in any way I can think of :-)
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Christian Graus wrote:
*grin* yes, because it's not apt in any way I can think of
Really? You don't think there's some similarity between someone who say, rejects gay marriage, because they interpret the bible as saying it is unholy and someone like John Simonds who'd rather see kids educated remotely, in isolation from each other, as a solution to them being killed at a school because his revered constitution can't be challenged? Or someone that says the odd mass killing is a reasonable price to pay for their 'freedom'?
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Christian Graus wrote:
*grin* yes, because it's not apt in any way I can think of
Really? You don't think there's some similarity between someone who say, rejects gay marriage, because they interpret the bible as saying it is unholy and someone like John Simonds who'd rather see kids educated remotely, in isolation from each other, as a solution to them being killed at a school because his revered constitution can't be challenged? Or someone that says the odd mass killing is a reasonable price to pay for their 'freedom'?
Well, perhaps. I can see a definite connection between religion and the US view on guns. I thought you were trying to be pointed about something *I* believe.
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Well, perhaps. I can see a definite connection between religion and the US view on guns. I thought you were trying to be pointed about something *I* believe.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I thought you were trying to be pointed about something *I* believe.
I don't know the specifics of what you believe. I chose the gay marriage thing as an example because I know you reject that specific idea and I thought it would be less confrontational allowing you to better see my point. My point is more general though, if you accept an idea solely because it is written in a venerated document then you must suspend reason and logic in the face of evidence to the contrary.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I thought you were trying to be pointed about something *I* believe.
I don't know the specifics of what you believe. I chose the gay marriage thing as an example because I know you reject that specific idea and I thought it would be less confrontational allowing you to better see my point. My point is more general though, if you accept an idea solely because it is written in a venerated document then you must suspend reason and logic in the face of evidence to the contrary.
_Josh_ wrote:
I chose the gay marriage thing as an example because I know you reject that specific idea and I thought it would be less confrontational allowing you to better see my point.
I think gay marriage in general is a dumb idea only because I think it's part of an overall campaign to get a minority group special treatment. As a christian, I don't care that people are gay, nor do I want to single them out in any negative way.
_Josh_ wrote:
My point is more general though, if you accept an idea solely because it is written in a venerated document then you must suspend reason and logic in the face of evidence to the contrary.
Sure. Like people who start museums to prove the world is 6000 years old, because they incorrectly believe the Bible says that ? I talked about that in church on sunday, actually.
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_Josh_ wrote:
I chose the gay marriage thing as an example because I know you reject that specific idea and I thought it would be less confrontational allowing you to better see my point.
I think gay marriage in general is a dumb idea only because I think it's part of an overall campaign to get a minority group special treatment. As a christian, I don't care that people are gay, nor do I want to single them out in any negative way.
_Josh_ wrote:
My point is more general though, if you accept an idea solely because it is written in a venerated document then you must suspend reason and logic in the face of evidence to the contrary.
Sure. Like people who start museums to prove the world is 6000 years old, because they incorrectly believe the Bible says that ? I talked about that in church on sunday, actually.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Like people who start museums to prove the world is 6000 years old, because they incorrectly believe the Bible says that ?
But it's not because they incorrectly believe, it's because they have 'faith'. Reason is suspended.
Faith is the origin of their incorrect belief, but the fact is, the Bible still does not say that.
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Faith is the origin of their incorrect belief, but the fact is, the Bible still does not say that.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Faith is the origin of their incorrect belief, but the fact is, the Bible still does not say that.
Is there an example of something the bible does say that is now known to be incorrect?
I would agree that any reasonable reading of Gen 1 has God creating the world in 6 literal days, and that the only reason people look for ways for it to not say that, is that it is plainly not true.
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That's pretty much the stupidest thing I've seen posted on CodeProject.
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Of course. Because you're an idiot.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Criminals can only get guns if society gives them access, through people having them.
That is incorrect. The UK permits no guns yet they are routinely used by criminals to shoot people. Anyone intent enough will always find a way to get hold of weapons, regardless of the law.
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There are probably less than 20 gun involved murders in the UK annually - I think we have the problem largely under control
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It might be worth noting that he injured 22, and didn't kill 18. But then again, it might not. There's no easy solution to any of these tragic events.
There is a very easy solution. Drastic enforcement of how sane people need to be to own a gun, of storage regulations. Prison if you sell to people that not mentally stable, if you are found to have given an OK to a guy that ends up shooting someone (as a psychiatrist) or suck at safely storing your guns/ammo. Sure it drives costs through the roof for the buyers/stores but who the hell cares. You buy/sell guns, take the responsibility.
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I meant if I must face a madman, I'd rather he not have a gun, than me have one, too.
Slacker007 wrote:
You don't need a gun, to harm.
This statement is both true, and stupid. If you joined the army, would you expect to be given a gun, or would you say 'I don't need a gun to harm people' ?
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I joined the army and I hurt people. I was an infantry sniper. Do you have anymore comments about killing?
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There are probably less than 20 gun involved murders in the UK annually - I think we have the problem largely under control
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Largely under control would be zero murders.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Forogar wrote:
With guns, I don't know if I would be here at all.
But as long as we are doing hypotheticals we should consider what would have been the outcome in those three cases if you had had a gun and you were trained to use it in combat situations.
I was actually trained in gun combat - and unarmed combat - which is how I prevailed in each case. I was living in England at the time and only owned a high powered sporting air-pistol - which never left the house except to take part in tournaments. I was a certified marksman with pistol, various types of rifle, SMG and LMG thanks to my military training. I was also a black belt at Judo, and an expert with longbow, crossbow and was fairly good at knife and axe throwing. Despite all that I don't think I could have prevented myself from getting stabbed and slashed even if I had been illegally carrying a gun in those cases.
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OK, let's play your game. Can you then please show me the study to confirm a direct correlation, that the culture is the cause? (moreover in favor of the current situation, not just any type of correlation) Because there are plenty studies showing that availability is one of the major factors. The conclusion that culture is the cause can probably explain (partially) the 200 times more gun induced deaths in comparison to Japan. But it is hardly different from all the cultures in the world. The major cultural difference would be probably the increased need to own a gun, thus proving my point about availability causes. But I guess the study you'll show me, will probably have roots of culture difference causing this pinpointed. :) regards, Kate
The wisdom is to see things truthfully.
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I joined the army and I hurt people. I was an infantry sniper. Do you have anymore comments about killing?
Is that meant to be scary ? What is your point ? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/opinion/collins-looking-for-america.html?_r=3&src=m5cv3&[^]
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