I Hate Obsolete Computer Books!

PIEBALDconsult

"... but we're coming up on year 10000 and we understand you know Cobol..."

OriginalGriff

I know what you mean. I had a complete set of the documentation for Visual C++ version 1 (incl. MFC) It took about two feet of shelf space, weighed a ton, and I hadn't opened it in ten years. Couldn't sell it, even on eBay (thanks to the shipping costs, books aren't easy to shift on eBay). Couldn't give it away. So the lot went to the tip. Sad. But necessary. Bite the bullet! Fill the car while drunk and cover them with a blanket so you can't see them when sober. Then drive to the tip and do it...

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Lost User

Same here. It has become a small library for itself, with a two rows of books specialized on computer graphics. My best excuse for keeping them is that I also still have all the old computers. With the computers I have the same problem. I never was much of a collector. Most old computers are the ones I used myself long ago. When I had to move, I had to get rid of my old Pentium II and Pentium III machines, both still working perfectly.

Septimus Hedgehog

I clear mine out if I've not opened them in a couple of years. Me and the missus durr'n like clutter. I don't know how much money I've wasted on books I never opened keeping up with changes in development I'll never work on.

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Lost User

I share your attitude to books and have lain awake feeling guilty after throwing one or two in the bin, including Programming Windows 3.1. Have you tried local schools, adult education groups, charities etc?

Gary R Wheeler

Not to sound like a hippie, but if you're going to throw them away, at least dump them in the paper bin at your local recycling center. My solution to your problem is I don't buy computer books any longer unless absolutely necessary. The last time that was true was in 2008, when we were starting a new generation of our current product from scratch. I was using C# and WPF for the first time. I bought 2 books at the time based on recommendations from CP folks. I still use both of them occasionally. Recently when I did a project in Linux, and started another in ASP.NET, I was tempted but didn't end up needing books. There's just too much technical material available online for dead tree sources to be worthwhile. Fiction, on the other hand, is another container of expired piscium. Even though I've ruthlessly culled my book collection over the years, I still have an attic full of boxes of books. My 'active' bookshelf is about half new stuff I've bought to read, and half old stuff I've pulled out of the boxes that I want to read again. I have a 'crap' shelf of stuff to sell at the used bookstore or donate that I know I won't ever read again. You'd think in a 2500 square foot old house full of shelves, there'd be space. Unfortunately my wife is an even worse book hoarder than I am.

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Alan N

I worked for a scientific company and as more and more journals became available online we came to the conclusion that the hard copies were essentially redundant and the many hundreds of feet of shelf space that they occupied could be used for something else. At phase 1 of the library clearout complete sets of bound journals dating from the 1930's or earlier, were chucked into a skips. Yes that's right, more than one skip was needed. At phase two, some years after that, the library was reduced down to little more than the information scientist's office and all the rest was partitioned off to be converted into conference rooms and offices.

Roger Wright

Nope, technical books never appreciate in value; they just become obsolete and "quaint."

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jschell

Roger Wright wrote:

But no one's will ever want to read books on InterDev, VB 5, Oracle 8, and that ilk ever again

That isn't necessarily true. I have had at least one maintenance request where the object code was something like 5 major versions behind. And at least in the case there was no way to use current documentation to figure language API usage. Additionally some books can be used as differentials in discussions. For example when did a specific feature show up? Of course keeping them does require space.

jschell

Roger Wright wrote:

Nope, technical books never appreciate in value; they just become obsolete and "quaint."

Errr...yes they do. http://www.biblio.com/rare-books/Engineering-79-0.html[^]

Roger Wright

Okay, I suppose they sometimes do. But these won't in my lifetime, I have no space to store them. Off they go...

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Forogar

I suspect those books are only becoming valuable now because at the time of publishing they were fairly rare and are now obviously becoming even rarer. My old programming books (yes, also in pristine condition) are/were fairly common and there is such a broad range of them and with multiple reprints and editions will probably not become sufficiently rare until at least the 4th millennium - at which point the paper will have degraded to dust and the cost of storage will far exceed their value - never mind the cost of shipping them to my cybernetic mind/body/home in orbit around Mars/Saturn/[insert planet/moon of choice here].

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H Brydon

I have a room with an entire wall of floor to ceiling books. Most of them older than 3 years (by definition, obsolete in the computer science world)... but I still consult them for details and mine some of the obsolete platform code for algorithms that are still useful. My feeling is that documentation (including but not limited to books) is like sex ... even if it is terrible it is still better than nothing at all.

-- Harvey

wizardzz

They might make good kindling, good insulation, bedding for chickens or other animals, wall paper, paper mache, targets for your new rifle, pads for dogs to pee on. I guess you can check with your local animal shelter? Last time I checked, newpapers were in abundance. Do you guys recycle out there? My old college text books that are severely outdated are donated to Salvation Army, I let them deal with it.

PIEBALDconsult

Wait a minute; didn't you just buy a new rifle? :cool:

Roger Wright

Yup. I wonder how many computer books a .243 can pierce? I have just discovered (in a box in the closet) the complete manuals for Turbo Pascal 5.5 Turbo Assembler Turbo Debugger Turbo Prolog 2.0 Paradox 4.0 Altogether, that's about 3' of high quality documentation, which should be a challenge for any caliber. :-D

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JimmyRopes

Roger Wright wrote:

I have to be very drunk and thoroughly on a mission to toss one out

Me too. :(

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PIEBALDconsult

Aye, it was sad day I threw out my Turbo Pascal manuals (and discs), but it had to be done.

Roger Wright

Alas, there was no room in the box for the complete Quattro manuals, but I found space for ProComm+ along with the disks! :-D Sadly, yes, there does come a time when it becomes necessary to toss out the old, even if the old was better than the new. For solid functionality, reliability, readability, maintainability, and cost effectiveness, nothing offered in the .Net universe comes close to Turbo Pascal.

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Roger Wright

I have to admit that I wasn't able to get drunk enough to do the deed this weekend; the doomed are stacked on the porch, awaiting a colossal bender to meet their final destination... :sigh:

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