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  • R Ron Harshbarger

    Yes I code for Windows boxes but I use them too! I just spent an incredible waste of time putting together a PowerPoint® presentation and I can't understand what the motive was for taking something that basically worked pretty well and had a friendly interface ( read that almost intuitive ) and muck it up to the point where it is just about useless not to mention annoying! Maybe if I had never used a previous version I’d think it was great…or maybe not! What ever happend to "Don't fix it if it isn't broke!"?

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    Matthew Faithfull
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    I couldn't agree more and it's not just Powerpoint which I've used since version 3 and of which 4.3 Pro was the pinnacle IMHO. All the MS Office tools have been getting worse for a few years now, Word turned after about 2003. I still hold onto and use some of the ancient versions but compatability issues make that more and more of a problem. I always assumed they were removing options and messing up the UI because US users prefered it that way but I think in the end its just because they have had no serious competition for so long. What else are the Office development team going to do but fiddle with what isn't broken and hand code interop assemblies ( Will drive anyone mad who has not already had the treatment )

    "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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    • R Ron Harshbarger

      Yes I code for Windows boxes but I use them too! I just spent an incredible waste of time putting together a PowerPoint® presentation and I can't understand what the motive was for taking something that basically worked pretty well and had a friendly interface ( read that almost intuitive ) and muck it up to the point where it is just about useless not to mention annoying! Maybe if I had never used a previous version I’d think it was great…or maybe not! What ever happend to "Don't fix it if it isn't broke!"?

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      peterchen
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      Ron Harshbarger wrote:

      "Don't fix it if it isn't broke!"?

      Said the monkey in the tree, said the fish in the sea, says slide-pushing Ron Harshbargee.


      I started to get over my Office 2010 grudge when I started to treat it as a new software. It's not PowerPoint anymore, it's something new called PowerPoint. Now, with Office 2013 and the flattened de-ADHD'd ribbon, it's fine.

      ORDER BY what user wants

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      • R Ron Harshbarger

        Yes I code for Windows boxes but I use them too! I just spent an incredible waste of time putting together a PowerPoint® presentation and I can't understand what the motive was for taking something that basically worked pretty well and had a friendly interface ( read that almost intuitive ) and muck it up to the point where it is just about useless not to mention annoying! Maybe if I had never used a previous version I’d think it was great…or maybe not! What ever happend to "Don't fix it if it isn't broke!"?

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        Rage
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        I find the MSOffice suite awesome. Plus, what are the alternatives ? Try and change a footer in Open Office, and come back in two months. I bought Office 2010 Professional Plus Edition yesterday for 50€ for my new home computer, and this is definitely good invested money.

        ~RaGE();

        I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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        • R Rage

          I find the MSOffice suite awesome. Plus, what are the alternatives ? Try and change a footer in Open Office, and come back in two months. I bought Office 2010 Professional Plus Edition yesterday for 50€ for my new home computer, and this is definitely good invested money.

          ~RaGE();

          I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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          Mark_Wallace
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          Rage wrote:

          for my new home computer

          And therein lies the tale. For professional or power use, it's turned to garbage. The optimal version is still 2003; everything since is comparatively useless.

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          • R Ron Harshbarger

            Yes I code for Windows boxes but I use them too! I just spent an incredible waste of time putting together a PowerPoint® presentation and I can't understand what the motive was for taking something that basically worked pretty well and had a friendly interface ( read that almost intuitive ) and muck it up to the point where it is just about useless not to mention annoying! Maybe if I had never used a previous version I’d think it was great…or maybe not! What ever happend to "Don't fix it if it isn't broke!"?

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            Mark_Wallace
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            The only time my computers get rebooted is if an update requires it -- which is why I've got several months' worth of updates backed up on most machines, and one where a reboot has been "postponed for four hours" since October.

            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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              The only time my computers get rebooted is if an update requires it -- which is why I've got several months' worth of updates backed up on most machines, and one where a reboot has been "postponed for four hours" since October.

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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              Mark_Wallace
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              How on Earth did this get attached to the wrong thread? Did a rung fall off the hamster wheel?

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                Rage wrote:

                for my new home computer

                And therein lies the tale. For professional or power use, it's turned to garbage. The optimal version is still 2003; everything since is comparatively useless.

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                Rage
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                Underestimate what I am doing home with my computer, you shall not, young Padawan. I have 2007 at work as well, and am the PPT-type-of-guy, and actually happy with it.

                ~RaGE();

                I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                  How on Earth did this get attached to the wrong thread? Did a rung fall off the hamster wheel?

                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  Rage
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                  The possible answers are: - You answered to the wrong thread - The thread you answered to was not the correct one - You answered the wrong thread

                  ~RaGE();

                  I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                  • R Rage

                    I find the MSOffice suite awesome. Plus, what are the alternatives ? Try and change a footer in Open Office, and come back in two months. I bought Office 2010 Professional Plus Edition yesterday for 50€ for my new home computer, and this is definitely good invested money.

                    ~RaGE();

                    I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                    Manfred Rudolf Bihy
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                    If you don't mind telling me where you've gotten that bargain, I'd be glad to know. Everywhere I'm looking it's above 500€ for the Professional version, which is a bit more than I would want to spend right now. Do tell! Cheers!

                    "I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"

                    Ron White, Comedian

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                      How on Earth did this get attached to the wrong thread? Did a rung fall off the hamster wheel?

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      Looks like you posted it there.

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                      • M Manfred Rudolf Bihy

                        If you don't mind telling me where you've gotten that bargain, I'd be glad to know. Everywhere I'm looking it's above 500€ for the Professional version, which is a bit more than I would want to spend right now. Do tell! Cheers!

                        "I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"

                        Ron White, Comedian

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                        Rage
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                        On ... eBay.fr. Might be some licenses left, but I cannot check from work as the site is black-listed here.

                        ~RaGE();

                        I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                        • R Rage

                          The possible answers are: - You answered to the wrong thread - The thread you answered to was not the correct one - You answered the wrong thread

                          ~RaGE();

                          I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                          There's only one Reply link available when you're reading a posting. I think the Y2K1D3 bug has struck.

                          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                          • R Rage

                            Underestimate what I am doing home with my computer, you shall not, young Padawan. I have 2007 at work as well, and am the PPT-type-of-guy, and actually happy with it.

                            ~RaGE();

                            I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                            Mark_Wallace
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                            You should upgrade to 2003. You'll never regret it.

                            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                              You should upgrade to 2003. You'll never regret it.

                              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                              Rage
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                              :laugh: Nice :thumbsup:

                              ~RaGE();

                              I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                                On ... eBay.fr. Might be some licenses left, but I cannot check from work as the site is black-listed here.

                                ~RaGE();

                                I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                                Manfred Rudolf Bihy
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                                Rage wrote:

                                from work as the site is black-listed here

                                Same here, I'll have to wait until I'm home. Thanks anyway for your hint! :-D Cheers!

                                "I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"

                                Ron White, Comedian

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                                • M Mark_Wallace

                                  Rage wrote:

                                  for my new home computer

                                  And therein lies the tale. For professional or power use, it's turned to garbage. The optimal version is still 2003; everything since is comparatively useless.

                                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                  PIEBALDconsult
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                                  Mark_Wallace wrote:

                                  The optimal version is still 2003

                                  That's what I still use at home. Stuck with 2010 or something at work. X| Can't find anything.

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                                  • R Ron Harshbarger

                                    Yes I code for Windows boxes but I use them too! I just spent an incredible waste of time putting together a PowerPoint® presentation and I can't understand what the motive was for taking something that basically worked pretty well and had a friendly interface ( read that almost intuitive ) and muck it up to the point where it is just about useless not to mention annoying! Maybe if I had never used a previous version I’d think it was great…or maybe not! What ever happend to "Don't fix it if it isn't broke!"?

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                                    PIEBALDconsult
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                                    Ron Harshbarger wrote:

                                    if I had never used a previous version

                                    Yes, the new interface may be fine for they who haven't been using it for thirty years, horrible for we old dogs. Both interfaces should be available and let the user decide which works best for them.

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                                      How on Earth did this get attached to the wrong thread? Did a rung fall off the hamster wheel?

                                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                      "These aren't the threads you're looking for...."

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                                      • R Ron Harshbarger

                                        Yes I code for Windows boxes but I use them too! I just spent an incredible waste of time putting together a PowerPoint® presentation and I can't understand what the motive was for taking something that basically worked pretty well and had a friendly interface ( read that almost intuitive ) and muck it up to the point where it is just about useless not to mention annoying! Maybe if I had never used a previous version I’d think it was great…or maybe not! What ever happend to "Don't fix it if it isn't broke!"?

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                                        Ron Harshbarger wrote:

                                        What ever happend to "Don't fix it if it isn't broke!"?

                                        That of course won't generate new sales.

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                                          "These aren't the threads you're looking for...."

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                                          RedDk
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                                          Arrrrgh covarrrgh 'yarrrgh rivets me harrrghties! :rolleyes:

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