I'm still angry with Microsoft.
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I have only one copy of Visual Studio left on my computers. Once the things I have to finish up are done, this copy will also be going to East Hyperspace. They wanted to make certain that we all follow their great ideas, instead they assured that I forget about them as quickly as possible. Even if they realize what went wrong at some point, I still don't trust them anymore. They will do it all over again at the next opportunity. Just stop giving your money to Mickeysoft and look for someone who does not treat you like a fool.
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They outsourced the installer to WiX. This move has been in the planning since roughly 2006 from what I can tell.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierSo that's why they had something going on with InstallShield LE?
cheers Marco Bertschi
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So that's why they had something going on with InstallShield LE?
cheers Marco Bertschi
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The LE means Look Elsewhere.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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The LE means Look Elsewhere.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier:laugh: :laugh:
cheers Marco Bertschi
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You'll probably like the intro:THE UNFORGIVING[^] :-O
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
Wanna guess what album was playing into my headphones when I opened that link? :thumbsup:
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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Wanna guess what album was playing into my headphones when I opened that link? :thumbsup:
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
Ah, a true connoisseur :-D
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
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Hm. Do you know how I can create a SetupProject for an Office 2013 addin using WiX?? :) (Somehow the AddIn Project won't show up in the Add Reference Dialog of the WiX Setup Project)
Add Project Reference?
Bob Dole
The internet is a great way to get on the net.
:doh: 2.0.82.7292 SP6a
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I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.
Which is why when you hear about that new fad technology being the "new way of doing things from now on" you just keep in mind that it only applies until that too is dropped and forgotten for the next new fad :) Take it for what its worth and use it while its there I guess. Silverlight always did seem like a really solid approach, I think your frustration is valid, but apparently there was some sort of conflict internally wrt Silverlight vs. HTML so the dropping of Silverlight might be more political fallout than anything else (at least thats what I read somewhere... it MUST be true!). It sure can give you a new appreciation for writing good old C++/MFC code which continues to be supported and updated. Whats odd about the WinRT/HTML thing is that the whole metro layer seems to be a limited focus thing not a new way to create all applications. i.e., sure if you want to make a touch app with very minimal UI and put it on the app store it might be a great solution. But in general for applications requiring more detailed user interaction, its just not something that makes sense to switch to. I've been running Win8 for awhile now on the laptop and I don't think I ever use the start screen or any metro apps. Not that they're not nice, just that its not going to be a replacement more like something which augments normal applications. For example, just try using the WinRT metro PDF reader app. Once you do that once, you'll immediately install and run the regular desktop reader application at least I did :)
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Add Project Reference?
Bob Dole
The internet is a great way to get on the net.
:doh: 2.0.82.7292 SP6a
AddIn Project does not show up in the add reference dialog... :^)
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I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.
Agree entirely. Microsoft's sudden about-turns have really damaged my trust in them. We used the WPF platform and I really liked it. Sure it had problems, but it had a number of positives. Now, if I start writing a new desktop app tomorrow, for the first time ever I have no idea what language and framework I should use for the longest possible 'active' development support life-cycle. Crazy.
-- The Obliterator
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Don't worry, you can still develop Silverlight, it won't be desupported for a long, long time.
Its already de-supported. The Expression Blend tooling required to work with WPF/Silverligh has been droped. All open support tickets seem to have been closed as 'don't care'. And yes I know Blend has been integrated into VS, but its not feature complete and its not robust. So moving forward you have no real support and no real migration path. The tooling in VS will gradually get worse and worse (just like it did when they 'continued to support' C++/MFC).
-- The Obliterator
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Well... I just found out that Visual Studio 2012 has no Setup Project template integrated...:doh: Your possibilities are: Install a commercial product or search for any other possibility to install something... Why the f*** did they drop the visual studio installer project?? for any simple project I made it provided everything I needed and was easy to use...
Because Windows Installer is an abomination before God, and the real reason the Pope retired today.
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Well... I just found out that Visual Studio 2012 has no Setup Project template integrated...:doh: Your possibilities are: Install a commercial product or search for any other possibility to install something... Why the f*** did they drop the visual studio installer project?? for any simple project I made it provided everything I needed and was easy to use...
I completely agree. I am also upset with that decision. I liked their installation product. It interfaced well with VS and it worked.
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AddIn Project does not show up in the add reference dialog... :^)
There should be a 'Project' tab at the top of that dialog. Both projects have to be in the same solution for the 'Add Project Reference' function to, well, function.
Bob Dole
The internet is a great way to get on the net.
:doh: 2.0.82.7292 SP6a
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Wanna guess what album was playing into my headphones when I opened that link? :thumbsup:
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
Hi OriginalGriff, I can't name the album, but I wonder if the song might have been "I hate myself for loving you," by, who was that singer: one of the Jetsons Family; Joan ... Joanie ? By the way, I just checked on NameCheap.com, and originalgriff.com, and aboriginalgriff.com are both available domains. yours, Bill
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question which divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct. My own feeling is that it is not crazy enough."
Niels Bohr's comment to Wolfgang Pauli, after Pauli presented Heisenberg's and Pauli's nonlinear field theory of elementary particles, at Columbia University, 1958.
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I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.
MehGerbil wrote:
Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards.
With all due respect, if you think Silverlight is (still) a multi-platform winning-hand UI technology, you're gravely mistaken. :) /ravi PS: I'm not suggesting HTML/JavaScript is.
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I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.
Given the pain that Silverlight is causing us I'm glad it's going, that way I don't have to talk people out of using it. But yeah, there's other shit MS is doing that is pissing me off. Forcing standards which only they use for one. They don't have any clear direction on authentication and authorization between their tool sets (OAuth, Claims etc...), the disappearance of the installation project template. Then there's the love which C# is getting from the company as well at the moment. Frankly this just leaves me in a place where I prefer using products which have not originated from MS
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
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There should be a 'Project' tab at the top of that dialog. Both projects have to be in the same solution for the 'Add Project Reference' function to, well, function.
Bob Dole
The internet is a great way to get on the net.
:doh: 2.0.82.7292 SP6a
Yeah... it should be there... but... the project doesn't show up there ... I suppose that's because the AddIn Project is declared as Class Library Project and hasn't an executable.
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I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.
Couldn't agree more. The issue I have with this decision from Microsoft isn't that Silverlight was the best thing that've happened since sliced bread, but rather that I find it disturbing that there are no good alternatives (as of today). Sure you can go with HTML5 and heaps of Javascript and AJAX calls. But WTF, not only would that take MUCH longer to get the way I want it, it would also force our employees to use a specific Web browser, just to have things work the way we intend them to since HTML5 support is varying, to say the least. Our main application is based on a Windows client that they normally run, but with a "light version" using Silverlight for when they're our of office or otherwise unable to use the normal client. For this purpose I still haven't found a nice and yet somewhat easy and efficient way to do this, except for... Silverlight. Flash won't cut it. Java applets (yeah right) and ActiveX components are just dead and buried. So, what to do? Thank you MS.. For yet another kick in the nuts, I'll be the first to leave for LAMP or similar when it's mature enough to completely wipe our present MS based platforms from the face of the earth.
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