Things that make ya go hmmmmmm
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Hunger itself isn't the problem. It's the causes of hunger that are the problem. The solution is not to give them a bunch of food/money all the time. This applies to all welfare-like situations, and leads me to this saying: "Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for the rest of his life." :thumbsup: A related phrase is "Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a night. Set a man on fire, keep him warm the rest of his life." :laugh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
You've a point. Still, while you're teaching to fish, people need to be fed until they can feed themselves. Gotta start somewhere. You can't teach someone anything on an empty stomach.
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OK, sorry for my being oversenstive.
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
You're the one that turned to attack mode. If you'd left the "Murcan" part of the comment out, then I'd not have called it a rant or rather I'd not have replied at all.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einsteinahmed zahmed wrote:
You're the one that turned to attack mode.
That's the thing... He's not. You are. He stated something that everyone knows is true, and you got very defensive about it and attacked him...
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Your assumption that 1 billion people are "hungry" would equal 14%-16% of the world. I think that's a rather large overestimate. But even so, most of those people are in poor, third-world countries where the cost of goods and food is much less than in the "first world". So I don't have a hard time believing the cost even as you've estimated. In any case even if you made it a $1 a day that's only about $400 Billion, which is only about 100 days worth of the world's military spending. The point isn't really the cost anyway, it's the fact we're prioritizing the wrong thing...
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
ahmed zahmed wrote:
You're the one that turned to attack mode.
That's the thing... He's not. You are. He stated something that everyone knows is true, and you got very defensive about it and attacked him...
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Sorry, have to disagree there, too.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
That's really sad then.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
You've a point. Still, while you're teaching to fish, people need to be fed until they can feed themselves. Gotta start somewhere. You can't teach someone anything on an empty stomach.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einsteinahmed zahmed wrote:
people need to be fed until they can feed themselves.
If they are being fed, they have no motivation to feed themselves.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinSomething important that should be extremely clear from any reasoned examination of history:- People do not gain enough food, good sanitation, affordable healthcare, free education, peace and security and then go on to get representative government, the rule of law, democratic accountability and a state that is niether oppresive or corrupt. It simply doesn't work that way round. First people get a representative government, usually by sacrificing lots of lives and pretty much everything else on the list. Then if they get lucky they get the rule of law and perhaps democratic accountability. Then if they get really lucky they have a state that is neither oppresive or corrupt. If they can maintain that long enough to have some economic progress and get lucky with their neighbours to go with stability they get peace and security, followed by enough food, followed by sanitation, followed by free education, follwed by affordable healthcare. In other words you can feed a child today and you'll have to go on feeding him and his children and his grandchildren forever, or you can shoot the b!$%^&^%$ who enslaved his people in the first place and he will grow up free and able to feed himself. Most of the time we need to do both and right now we need to look very hard at our own back yard because the basic building blocks of our own civilization are under attack and if we loose those we will not be in a position to help anyone.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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:thumbsup: Indeed. For those who don't want to read that, I'll just paste a snippet:
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In round numbers there are 7 billion people in the world. Thus, with an estimated 925 million hungry people in the world, 13.1 percent, or almost 1 in 7 people are hungry.
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That's what capitalists do, they capitalize things.
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If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinCondoms and schools. In that order. This is where the money has to be spend. Not feeding the people like they are cattle.
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Assuming 1 billion people are "hungry", $30 billion / 365 days / 1 billion people = $0.08. So, we can feed people for 8 cents a day? I can't buy a grape for that much. About $30/year? I've paid for dinners several times that expensive. I'm not convinced.
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Only $30 billion/year? I guess it's good that the US gives $50 billion/year in foreign aid. :doh:
and ~$17B of that "foreign aid" is military. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid[^]
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Something important that should be extremely clear from any reasoned examination of history:- People do not gain enough food, good sanitation, affordable healthcare, free education, peace and security and then go on to get representative government, the rule of law, democratic accountability and a state that is niether oppresive or corrupt. It simply doesn't work that way round. First people get a representative government, usually by sacrificing lots of lives and pretty much everything else on the list. Then if they get lucky they get the rule of law and perhaps democratic accountability. Then if they get really lucky they have a state that is neither oppresive or corrupt. If they can maintain that long enough to have some economic progress and get lucky with their neighbours to go with stability they get peace and security, followed by enough food, followed by sanitation, followed by free education, follwed by affordable healthcare. In other words you can feed a child today and you'll have to go on feeding him and his children and his grandchildren forever, or you can shoot the b!$%^&^%$ who enslaved his people in the first place and he will grow up free and able to feed himself. Most of the time we need to do both and right now we need to look very hard at our own back yard because the basic building blocks of our own civilization are under attack and if we loose those we will not be in a position to help anyone.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
you can feed a child today and you'll have to go on feeding him and his children and his grandchildren forever
so either
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
or you can shoot the b!$%^&^%$
or
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
usually by sacrificing lots of lives
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
oppresive ot corrupt
you mispalled that
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A more relevant number would be the amount of money spent on the military by the countries with the most hunger. It's probably a lot less. Also, among those those countries are probably a lot of countries that actually need their military, because their neighbours are the kind of asshats that would invade if they saw a chance. An other relevant number is how much it would cost to solve hunger in the civilized world, which has been on the rise lately. That could actually be solved (it wouldn't require people to care about other countries, which they never will, not on a serious scale anyway), except in 'Murica because socialism is evil.
Oddly enough if we spent money on *their military, instead of on food aid, I think it would work itself out. *We've no worries, we can bomb them later after all. *their - whoever you chose to insert that needs aid *We've - Americans
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Condoms and schools. In that order. This is where the money has to be spend. Not feeding the people like they are cattle.
There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
Problem with that first one is that the very poorest intentionally have more children so that their children can support them as they grow older.
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Oddly enough if we spent money on *their military, instead of on food aid, I think it would work itself out. *We've no worries, we can bomb them later after all. *their - whoever you chose to insert that needs aid *We've - Americans
If it moves, compile it
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If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
Problem with that first one is that the very poorest intentionally have more children so that their children can support them as they grow older.
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I see you are strongly in favor of capitalism too!
