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  • M Maximilien

    Most of these "obscure" feature will not pass code review.

    Nihil obstat

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    OriginalGriff
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    Thank elephant for that! Use most of those, and you deserve to be shot...

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    • M Maximilien

      Most of these "obscure" feature will not pass code review.

      Nihil obstat

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      CPallini
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      Code reviews are for sissies. :-\

      Veni, vidi, vici.

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      • L Lost User

        Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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        Nish Nishant
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        The color scheme on that page! :eek:

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        • C CPallini

          Code reviews are for sissies. :-\

          Veni, vidi, vici.

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          Nagy Vilmos
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          I don't know, it take some balls to tell someone their code sucks. Except for Griff, that's a given.

          Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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          • N Nagy Vilmos

            I don't know, it take some balls to tell someone their code sucks. Except for Griff, that's a given.

            Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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            OI! I don't suck balls!

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              OI! I don't suck balls!

              The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)

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              Nagy Vilmos
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              Your code however...

              Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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              • N Nagy Vilmos

                Your code however...

                Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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                OriginalGriff
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                Oh, that? It suckzorz donkey balls. :laugh:

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  Thank elephant for that! Use most of those, and you deserve to be shot...

                  The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)

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                  Kenneth Haugland
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                  That might be so, but I think their program still would execute, and not the person :sigh:

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                  • L Lost User

                    Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                    Gary Wheeler
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                    I will confess to having used two of those practices, but I washed my hands afterwards.

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                    • L Lost User

                      Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                      Gregory Gadow
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                      I remember the redefinition of keywords: a friend of mine has some headers that let him compile and run simple Pascal programs using C.

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                      • L Lost User

                        Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                        Single Step Debugger
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                        Most of these(except templates tricks etc.) has nothing to do with C++, but are inherited C constructions. And some of them are quite useful in system programing.

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                        • L Lost User

                          Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                          YDaoust
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                          I was quite delighted to discover among the alternate operator tokens keywords for &&, || and !. I never really liked these "rude" logical operators and this gave me a sufficient incentive to switch to the nicer litteral representation. Isn't that beautiful ?

                          if (i < N and not Odd(A[i]))

                          I will not embrace the tokens for &, | and ~, as these correspond to bitwise operators which are more arithmetic in essence and compare to the usual +, -, *, /. Even less the _eq forms, which in my opinion are misnomers: f.i. or_eq should read bitor_eq.

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                            Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                            SeattleC
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                            Obscure, you say? How about ... The comma operator; result = a , b; computes a, discards it, computes b, and assigns b to result. C++ (and C)'s hidden operator language; Conditional operator result = a ? b : c; evaluates a, then evaluates b if a is nonzero, or else evaluates c. The comma operator above as a way to do sequences as an expression. All C++ is missing is a value-returning loop. I do second the motion for method pointers as the most obscure and underused (but useful) aspect of C++. Or maybe virtual multiple inheritance, which can get mind-bendingly complex in examples I've seen in the wild.

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                            • G Gregory Gadow

                              I remember the redefinition of keywords: a friend of mine has some headers that let him compile and run simple Pascal programs using C.

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                              all_in_flames
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                              I remember this one from a C++ course I took:

                              #define ;; ever;

                              Which of course allowed infinite for loops to be coded as

                              for(ever) {...}

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                              • A all_in_flames

                                I remember this one from a C++ course I took:

                                #define ;; ever;

                                Which of course allowed infinite for loops to be coded as

                                for(ever) {...}

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                                w peuker
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                                You mean

                                #define ever ;;

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                                • L Lost User

                                  Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                                  Stefan_Lang
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                                  I've tried my hand at redefining the comma operator[^] after I've seen it in Blitz++ and Boost::Spirit (!). But I eventually discarded the idea due to various problems. I tried metaprogramming (the factorial implementation), but only for instructional purposes, not for real use. What I actually use in real code: 1. I do overload ++ and -- (pre and postfix both) a lot. 2. I did use in-place new and explicit call of destructor for the implementation of a memory pool. I don't see anything wrong with that as there really is no other good way to allocate memory for C++ objects and ensure proper initialization. (and cleaning up after release, without freeing the memory) 3. I do use static methods occasionally. But I wonder why they are on the "obscure features list" to start with. Of the remaining features listed in that article, I would indeed consider them obscure as I either wasn't aware them, or never found a useful application. ;) Passing a function as a template parameter is the only feature of these that I would consider useful, although I haven't actually used it myself. If you want an equally or more obscure feature, the only thing I can think of from the top of my head are trigraphs. (see http://www.gotw.ca/gotw/086.htm[^] - it also contains examples for some items already on the list)

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                                    I've tried my hand at redefining the comma operator[^] after I've seen it in Blitz++ and Boost::Spirit (!). But I eventually discarded the idea due to various problems. I tried metaprogramming (the factorial implementation), but only for instructional purposes, not for real use. What I actually use in real code: 1. I do overload ++ and -- (pre and postfix both) a lot. 2. I did use in-place new and explicit call of destructor for the implementation of a memory pool. I don't see anything wrong with that as there really is no other good way to allocate memory for C++ objects and ensure proper initialization. (and cleaning up after release, without freeing the memory) 3. I do use static methods occasionally. But I wonder why they are on the "obscure features list" to start with. Of the remaining features listed in that article, I would indeed consider them obscure as I either wasn't aware them, or never found a useful application. ;) Passing a function as a template parameter is the only feature of these that I would consider useful, although I haven't actually used it myself. If you want an equally or more obscure feature, the only thing I can think of from the top of my head are trigraphs. (see http://www.gotw.ca/gotw/086.htm[^] - it also contains examples for some items already on the list)

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                                    Gorpik
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                                    It is not static methods, but the fact that static methods can be called through an instance of a class, instead of just the class itself, that is considered obscure in the list.

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