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  • N Nagy Vilmos

    I don't know, it take some balls to tell someone their code sucks. Except for Griff, that's a given.

    Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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    OriginalGriff
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    OI! I don't suck balls!

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      OI! I don't suck balls!

      The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)

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      Nagy Vilmos
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      Your code however...

      Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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      • N Nagy Vilmos

        Your code however...

        Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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        OriginalGriff
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        Oh, that? It suckzorz donkey balls. :laugh:

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          Thank elephant for that! Use most of those, and you deserve to be shot...

          The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)

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          Kenneth Haugland
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          That might be so, but I think their program still would execute, and not the person :sigh:

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          • L Lost User

            Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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            Gary Wheeler
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            I will confess to having used two of those practices, but I washed my hands afterwards.

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            • L Lost User

              Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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              Gregory Gadow
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              I remember the redefinition of keywords: a friend of mine has some headers that let him compile and run simple Pascal programs using C.

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              • L Lost User

                Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                Single Step Debugger
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                Most of these(except templates tricks etc.) has nothing to do with C++, but are inherited C constructions. And some of them are quite useful in system programing.

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                • L Lost User

                  Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                  YDaoust
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                  I was quite delighted to discover among the alternate operator tokens keywords for &&, || and !. I never really liked these "rude" logical operators and this gave me a sufficient incentive to switch to the nicer litteral representation. Isn't that beautiful ?

                  if (i < N and not Odd(A[i]))

                  I will not embrace the tokens for &, | and ~, as these correspond to bitwise operators which are more arithmetic in essence and compare to the usual +, -, *, /. Even less the _eq forms, which in my opinion are misnomers: f.i. or_eq should read bitor_eq.

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                  • L Lost User

                    Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                    SeattleC
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                    Obscure, you say? How about ... The comma operator; result = a , b; computes a, discards it, computes b, and assigns b to result. C++ (and C)'s hidden operator language; Conditional operator result = a ? b : c; evaluates a, then evaluates b if a is nonzero, or else evaluates c. The comma operator above as a way to do sequences as an expression. All C++ is missing is a value-returning loop. I do second the motion for method pointers as the most obscure and underused (but useful) aspect of C++. Or maybe virtual multiple inheritance, which can get mind-bendingly complex in examples I've seen in the wild.

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                    • G Gregory Gadow

                      I remember the redefinition of keywords: a friend of mine has some headers that let him compile and run simple Pascal programs using C.

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                      all_in_flames
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                      I remember this one from a C++ course I took:

                      #define ;; ever;

                      Which of course allowed infinite for loops to be coded as

                      for(ever) {...}

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                      • A all_in_flames

                        I remember this one from a C++ course I took:

                        #define ;; ever;

                        Which of course allowed infinite for loops to be coded as

                        for(ever) {...}

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                        w peuker
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                        You mean

                        #define ever ;;

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                        • L Lost User

                          Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                          Stefan_Lang
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                          I've tried my hand at redefining the comma operator[^] after I've seen it in Blitz++ and Boost::Spirit (!). But I eventually discarded the idea due to various problems. I tried metaprogramming (the factorial implementation), but only for instructional purposes, not for real use. What I actually use in real code: 1. I do overload ++ and -- (pre and postfix both) a lot. 2. I did use in-place new and explicit call of destructor for the implementation of a memory pool. I don't see anything wrong with that as there really is no other good way to allocate memory for C++ objects and ensure proper initialization. (and cleaning up after release, without freeing the memory) 3. I do use static methods occasionally. But I wonder why they are on the "obscure features list" to start with. Of the remaining features listed in that article, I would indeed consider them obscure as I either wasn't aware them, or never found a useful application. ;) Passing a function as a template parameter is the only feature of these that I would consider useful, although I haven't actually used it myself. If you want an equally or more obscure feature, the only thing I can think of from the top of my head are trigraphs. (see http://www.gotw.ca/gotw/086.htm[^] - it also contains examples for some items already on the list)

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                            I've tried my hand at redefining the comma operator[^] after I've seen it in Blitz++ and Boost::Spirit (!). But I eventually discarded the idea due to various problems. I tried metaprogramming (the factorial implementation), but only for instructional purposes, not for real use. What I actually use in real code: 1. I do overload ++ and -- (pre and postfix both) a lot. 2. I did use in-place new and explicit call of destructor for the implementation of a memory pool. I don't see anything wrong with that as there really is no other good way to allocate memory for C++ objects and ensure proper initialization. (and cleaning up after release, without freeing the memory) 3. I do use static methods occasionally. But I wonder why they are on the "obscure features list" to start with. Of the remaining features listed in that article, I would indeed consider them obscure as I either wasn't aware them, or never found a useful application. ;) Passing a function as a template parameter is the only feature of these that I would consider useful, although I haven't actually used it myself. If you want an equally or more obscure feature, the only thing I can think of from the top of my head are trigraphs. (see http://www.gotw.ca/gotw/086.htm[^] - it also contains examples for some items already on the list)

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                            Gorpik
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                            It is not static methods, but the fact that static methods can be called through an instance of a class, instead of just the class itself, that is considered obscure in the list.

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