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  • L Lost User

    Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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    Nish Nishant
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    The color scheme on that page! :eek:

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      Code reviews are for sissies. :-\

      Veni, vidi, vici.

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      Nagy Vilmos
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      I don't know, it take some balls to tell someone their code sucks. Except for Griff, that's a given.

      Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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        I don't know, it take some balls to tell someone their code sucks. Except for Griff, that's a given.

        Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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        OriginalGriff
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        OI! I don't suck balls!

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          OI! I don't suck balls!

          The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)

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          Nagy Vilmos
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          Your code however...

          Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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          • N Nagy Vilmos

            Your code however...

            Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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            OriginalGriff
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            Oh, that? It suckzorz donkey balls. :laugh:

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Thank elephant for that! Use most of those, and you deserve to be shot...

              The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)

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              Kenneth Haugland
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              That might be so, but I think their program still would execute, and not the person :sigh:

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              • L Lost User

                Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                Gary Wheeler
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                I will confess to having used two of those practices, but I washed my hands afterwards.

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                • L Lost User

                  Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                  Gregory Gadow
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                  I remember the redefinition of keywords: a friend of mine has some headers that let him compile and run simple Pascal programs using C.

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                  • L Lost User

                    Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                    Single Step Debugger
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                    Most of these(except templates tricks etc.) has nothing to do with C++, but are inherited C constructions. And some of them are quite useful in system programing.

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                    • L Lost User

                      Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                      YDaoust
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                      I was quite delighted to discover among the alternate operator tokens keywords for &&, || and !. I never really liked these "rude" logical operators and this gave me a sufficient incentive to switch to the nicer litteral representation. Isn't that beautiful ?

                      if (i < N and not Odd(A[i]))

                      I will not embrace the tokens for &, | and ~, as these correspond to bitwise operators which are more arithmetic in essence and compare to the usual +, -, *, /. Even less the _eq forms, which in my opinion are misnomers: f.i. or_eq should read bitor_eq.

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                      • L Lost User

                        Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                        SeattleC
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                        Obscure, you say? How about ... The comma operator; result = a , b; computes a, discards it, computes b, and assigns b to result. C++ (and C)'s hidden operator language; Conditional operator result = a ? b : c; evaluates a, then evaluates b if a is nonzero, or else evaluates c. The comma operator above as a way to do sequences as an expression. All C++ is missing is a value-returning loop. I do second the motion for method pointers as the most obscure and underused (but useful) aspect of C++. Or maybe virtual multiple inheritance, which can get mind-bendingly complex in examples I've seen in the wild.

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                        • G Gregory Gadow

                          I remember the redefinition of keywords: a friend of mine has some headers that let him compile and run simple Pascal programs using C.

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                          all_in_flames
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                          I remember this one from a C++ course I took:

                          #define ;; ever;

                          Which of course allowed infinite for loops to be coded as

                          for(ever) {...}

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                          • A all_in_flames

                            I remember this one from a C++ course I took:

                            #define ;; ever;

                            Which of course allowed infinite for loops to be coded as

                            for(ever) {...}

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                            w peuker
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                            You mean

                            #define ever ;;

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                            • L Lost User

                              Link[^] Can't we find some things that are more obscure? I had heard of most of those (11 out of 14), and I'm not even really a C++ programmer.

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                              Stefan_Lang
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                              I've tried my hand at redefining the comma operator[^] after I've seen it in Blitz++ and Boost::Spirit (!). But I eventually discarded the idea due to various problems. I tried metaprogramming (the factorial implementation), but only for instructional purposes, not for real use. What I actually use in real code: 1. I do overload ++ and -- (pre and postfix both) a lot. 2. I did use in-place new and explicit call of destructor for the implementation of a memory pool. I don't see anything wrong with that as there really is no other good way to allocate memory for C++ objects and ensure proper initialization. (and cleaning up after release, without freeing the memory) 3. I do use static methods occasionally. But I wonder why they are on the "obscure features list" to start with. Of the remaining features listed in that article, I would indeed consider them obscure as I either wasn't aware them, or never found a useful application. ;) Passing a function as a template parameter is the only feature of these that I would consider useful, although I haven't actually used it myself. If you want an equally or more obscure feature, the only thing I can think of from the top of my head are trigraphs. (see http://www.gotw.ca/gotw/086.htm[^] - it also contains examples for some items already on the list)

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                                I've tried my hand at redefining the comma operator[^] after I've seen it in Blitz++ and Boost::Spirit (!). But I eventually discarded the idea due to various problems. I tried metaprogramming (the factorial implementation), but only for instructional purposes, not for real use. What I actually use in real code: 1. I do overload ++ and -- (pre and postfix both) a lot. 2. I did use in-place new and explicit call of destructor for the implementation of a memory pool. I don't see anything wrong with that as there really is no other good way to allocate memory for C++ objects and ensure proper initialization. (and cleaning up after release, without freeing the memory) 3. I do use static methods occasionally. But I wonder why they are on the "obscure features list" to start with. Of the remaining features listed in that article, I would indeed consider them obscure as I either wasn't aware them, or never found a useful application. ;) Passing a function as a template parameter is the only feature of these that I would consider useful, although I haven't actually used it myself. If you want an equally or more obscure feature, the only thing I can think of from the top of my head are trigraphs. (see http://www.gotw.ca/gotw/086.htm[^] - it also contains examples for some items already on the list)

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                                Gorpik
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                                It is not static methods, but the fact that static methods can be called through an instance of a class, instead of just the class itself, that is considered obscure in the list.

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