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  • W wizardzz

    So, the junior dev under me quit. He went to the manager the week of my wedding (I was scheduled off for 7 working days for honeymoon) and quit, no 2 weeks notice, he wanted out. My manager asked if he could at least stick around until I got back. He said okay, but then didn't, left after my 4th working day gone. The reason given? Language, foul language, in particular that is used by a VP. It apparently upset him and even stressed him out at home (he never did any work or support in off hours, unlike most of us who support 247). We warn new hires, him included, that it can get loud, fast paced, stressful, and we use foul language. None of it sexual in nature, just shit, fuck, damn, etc. On his last day on the job, he sent a letter to all newer hires, asking if it bothered them. Only one replied, a female recent college graduate. She said she doesn't even notice it. Here's my theory. Some background: He moved here, across the country for this job 6 months ago. We flew him in, our expense, to interview him. Theory: He is now relocated, settle in, his wife is settled in, so now he's actually looking for a job he likes, and trying to get sympathy from other new hires to use as a reference. He was a shitty developer who took any sort of criticism horribly. He never tested anything and could not work autonomously. He needed constant detailed lists of what to do, said things were completed ahead of schedule while they were less than half way done and untested. He was a database guy that we were teaching to code, so he knew nothing, but wouldn't admit it, even though almost everything he did was a copy/paste job. The work he did in the last 2 weeks: horrible, had to be rolled back from prod as his claims of testing his changed were lies. Anyways, his little exit strategy is dicking over a lot of people here, making my team look bad, all the way up to our boss below the head honcho (for some reason, he really tried to dick over our VP).

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    BobJanova
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    I'm not sure someone like that would have another job lined up from the get-go, it's more probably that he's just not very good and finds it difficult to work in a high stress team and was looking for a way to escape that looked legit.

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    • W wizardzz

      So, the junior dev under me quit. He went to the manager the week of my wedding (I was scheduled off for 7 working days for honeymoon) and quit, no 2 weeks notice, he wanted out. My manager asked if he could at least stick around until I got back. He said okay, but then didn't, left after my 4th working day gone. The reason given? Language, foul language, in particular that is used by a VP. It apparently upset him and even stressed him out at home (he never did any work or support in off hours, unlike most of us who support 247). We warn new hires, him included, that it can get loud, fast paced, stressful, and we use foul language. None of it sexual in nature, just shit, fuck, damn, etc. On his last day on the job, he sent a letter to all newer hires, asking if it bothered them. Only one replied, a female recent college graduate. She said she doesn't even notice it. Here's my theory. Some background: He moved here, across the country for this job 6 months ago. We flew him in, our expense, to interview him. Theory: He is now relocated, settle in, his wife is settled in, so now he's actually looking for a job he likes, and trying to get sympathy from other new hires to use as a reference. He was a shitty developer who took any sort of criticism horribly. He never tested anything and could not work autonomously. He needed constant detailed lists of what to do, said things were completed ahead of schedule while they were less than half way done and untested. He was a database guy that we were teaching to code, so he knew nothing, but wouldn't admit it, even though almost everything he did was a copy/paste job. The work he did in the last 2 weeks: horrible, had to be rolled back from prod as his claims of testing his changed were lies. Anyways, his little exit strategy is dicking over a lot of people here, making my team look bad, all the way up to our boss below the head honcho (for some reason, he really tried to dick over our VP).

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      wizardzz wrote:

      database guy

      That there says it all. Most db people suck a programming and it's the rare exception that doesn't. They're also supreme arrogant asses.

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      • B BobJanova

        I'm not sure someone like that would have another job lined up from the get-go, it's more probably that he's just not very good and finds it difficult to work in a high stress team and was looking for a way to escape that looked legit.

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        I don't think he has a job lined up. I think it's easier to interview when you aren't working, 6 months looks okay, and his wife probably found a job here. I think the dick move of feeling bad about the language might have been a way to try to collect unemployment after quitting.

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        • W wizardzz

          IM and emails leave digital trails, we just get it out there in the open. It's not even crude, though every once in a great while, one guy can take it there, but we have his desk flanked by a buffer of people that can handle it.

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          Well since it only seems to be offending the one person, unless they have access to our email and IM logs, we're not really worried about that part. We'd like to keep it out in the open, but apparently we're too much for someone to handle. :rolleyes:

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          • S Single Step Debugger

            That’s why I stopped posting in the Lounge. These “Elephant”, “Sunshine” and “Paris” words used all over the place make me feel sad and stressed and dirty. I’m so fucking sensitive to foul language.:sigh:

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            Mladen Jankovic
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            Preach it brother! It's f♥cking unbearable being around a♥♥hats that are di♥king around with their s♥itty language.

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            • W wizardzz

              So, the junior dev under me quit. He went to the manager the week of my wedding (I was scheduled off for 7 working days for honeymoon) and quit, no 2 weeks notice, he wanted out. My manager asked if he could at least stick around until I got back. He said okay, but then didn't, left after my 4th working day gone. The reason given? Language, foul language, in particular that is used by a VP. It apparently upset him and even stressed him out at home (he never did any work or support in off hours, unlike most of us who support 247). We warn new hires, him included, that it can get loud, fast paced, stressful, and we use foul language. None of it sexual in nature, just shit, fuck, damn, etc. On his last day on the job, he sent a letter to all newer hires, asking if it bothered them. Only one replied, a female recent college graduate. She said she doesn't even notice it. Here's my theory. Some background: He moved here, across the country for this job 6 months ago. We flew him in, our expense, to interview him. Theory: He is now relocated, settle in, his wife is settled in, so now he's actually looking for a job he likes, and trying to get sympathy from other new hires to use as a reference. He was a shitty developer who took any sort of criticism horribly. He never tested anything and could not work autonomously. He needed constant detailed lists of what to do, said things were completed ahead of schedule while they were less than half way done and untested. He was a database guy that we were teaching to code, so he knew nothing, but wouldn't admit it, even though almost everything he did was a copy/paste job. The work he did in the last 2 weeks: horrible, had to be rolled back from prod as his claims of testing his changed were lies. Anyways, his little exit strategy is dicking over a lot of people here, making my team look bad, all the way up to our boss below the head honcho (for some reason, he really tried to dick over our VP).

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              Mladen Jankovic
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              wizardzz wrote:

              The reason given? Language, foul language, in particular that is used by a VP.

              [NSFW LANGUAGE]Is this your VP[^]?[NSFW LANGUAGE]

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              • M Mladen Jankovic

                Preach it brother! It's f♥cking unbearable being around a♥♥hats that are di♥king around with their s♥itty language.

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                Nemanja Trifunovic
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                Or you could just use good ol' Cyrillic...

                utf8-cpp

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                • B BobJanova

                  My company pays expenses to interviewees ... not generally flights since we're in England and it's a small country, but they paid for my petrol costs and a night in a B&B when I came down to interview.

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                  You hiring?

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                  • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                    Or you could just use good ol' Cyrillic...

                    utf8-cpp

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                    Mladen Jankovic
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                    Americans and their freedom of expression! Yeah right! You only have handful of dirty words, that's not freedom of EXPRESSION!

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                    • M Mladen Jankovic

                      Preach it brother! It's f♥cking unbearable being around a♥♥hats that are di♥king around with their s♥itty language.

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                      I’m shocked!

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                      • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                        Or you could just use good ol' Cyrillic...

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                        Да!

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                        • K Keith Barrow

                          Deyan Georgiev wrote:

                          These “Elephant”, “Sunshine” and “Paris” words used all over the place make me feel sad and stressed and dirty

                          :wtf: That's why I come here!

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                          Single Step Debugger
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                          I thought you’re here for the same reasons as everybody else. Daly CCC’s and the hundreds of beautiful ladies who frequents the Lounge.

                          There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                            I’m shocked!

                            There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                            Mladen Jankovic
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                            Deal with it :cool: :D

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                            • L lewax00

                              On a similar note, our team recently got a warning that someone was getting offended about our use of "crude" language, and we suspect it was one of the new people (because everyone else laughs at/joins in our conversations). Wonder if they're trying to pull something similar...but the joke's on them, we're likely moving to our own space soon, then no one will be able to hear us. Until then, we just keep most of our talking to IM, where we can be as "crude" as we want.

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                              Someone complained about my bad language, my boss moved her out of earshot. He did make me promise to try to stop shouting sunshine in the office though. I made a sign to hold up so I now only offend in one direction. Unlike One Direction who offend in all directions without using any bad language at all.

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                              • N Nagy Vilmos

                                You hiring?

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                                "Petrol costs" Nagy - not "Gin costs".

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                                • W wizardzz

                                  ParseThisIntoWordsAndYouGotAnInterview!

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                                  OriginalGriff
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                                  When is mine? And are you paying interview expenses? ;)

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                                  • S Single Step Debugger

                                    That’s why I stopped posting in the Lounge. These “Elephant”, “Sunshine” and “Paris” words used all over the place make me feel sad and stressed and dirty. I’m so fucking sensitive to foul language.:sigh:

                                    There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                                    Now now! Swearing is not big, and it's not f**king clever. [edit]Elephanting sunshine tablet autotyping! "Speak" for "Swearing" fixed - OriginalGriff[/edit]

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                                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                      "Petrol costs" Nagy - not "Gin costs".

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                                      Isn't Gin Nagys very own petrol? :laugh:

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                                      • S Single Step Debugger

                                        That’s why I stopped posting in the Lounge. These “Elephant”, “Sunshine” and “Paris” words used all over the place make me feel sad and stressed and dirty. I’m so fucking sensitive to foul language.:sigh:

                                        There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                                        Mark_Wallace
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                                        As long as no-one starts saying "duck" in every sentence. Insert punchline here: ............................................................................................

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                                        • W wizardzz

                                          ParseThisIntoWordsAndYouGotAnInterview!

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                                          You'd need to import System.Text.RegularExpressions for this. Regex.Replace(Input, "((?<=[a-z])[A-Z]|[A-Z](?=[a-z]))", " $1").Trim() I admit, I cheated a bit and had a quick look online for this, I don't know all combinations of regular expressions off the top of my head! I also don't usually do calls to the Trim method like that, but for the purpose of this, makes it easier. I personally find it easier when they're two lines of code (two different jobs really, one does the split, one does the trim for leading/trailing spaces). Should do the job (obviously needs to be put in a function, probably static/shared. Will also do phrases such as: PeopleInNZLoveSheep...ForFood! But hey, I just got into work this morning (8:30am here in NZ), not looking for an interview, just liked the quick challenge! Best of luck finding a new developer though!

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