Question: Language Barrier
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One of the biggest issues I've had on this site, and others, is with people who don't natively speak English. Some of them are very nice, and cool people. However, some of them, like to argue with you, despite barely being able to understand you. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind foreigners, however, I do mind the people in question, the ones who will blindly attack me, when in reality, it's their own fault. To clarify, I wouldn't go to a Japanese forum, and argue with people in Japanese, because, I don't properly understand the language, and a debate of any kind requires understanding. (As do conversations in general.) Do, you see where I'm coming from? I just don't understand the logic of these people, are they just stupid, international trolls, I don't know. ? I would almost suggest they stick to forums that cater to their own language, at least until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations. And okay, let's say they do come to an English speaking forum, and haven't quite mastered the language, well, perhaps they should avoid debates until they can understand what's going on a bit better. Am I wrong here? Should I be more patient? Should I ignore them when they act up? I've been arguing with them, but it seems to go nowhere, but, if you do nothing, then, they're not going to learn, or stop. (Can I report this behavior?) What do you guys think?
you've never got such troubles English-speaking people? You can go to nowhere in any language. Don't be a snob
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U American plz stop critizing my peoples English when it is your country fault for not sending enough aid this year to fund our nuclear program the teachings of English in our schools. The problem is so bad that next year we will be as bad as fRance for illitracy in English amongst our teachers. Please realise everything is the fault of the West, we were happy living in the stoneage to you came along with your 'progress'.
See, this is what I'm talking about. No one criticized your people, and for that matter who the f*ck are you? As for needing aid, who doesn't, the world isn't perfect, everyone just does their best to get by, you aren't as special as you seem to think you are. I'm sorry, but, I've lived a pretty tough life myself, I've been homeless, isolated, hungry, etc,. (I'm honestly, about a year away from stuffing a gun in mouth and pulling the trigger, so, really, f*ck you.)
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you've never got such troubles English-speaking people? You can go to nowhere in any language. Don't be a snob
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Joe_Dert wrote:
start ignoring them the moment the conversation decays?
Sounds about right. You don't need to ignore them outright. You can always say, "I'm going to agree to disagree." Or, "I don't think we're getting anywhere, so I'm not discussing this any further." Or whatever is appropriate for the situation. If they demand a reply from you, they are being rude, so don't feel too bad about continuing to ignore them. As they say, "you can speak your mind, just not on my time."
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See, this is what I'm talking about. No one criticized your people, and for that matter who the f*ck are you? As for needing aid, who doesn't, the world isn't perfect, everyone just does their best to get by, you aren't as special as you seem to think you are. I'm sorry, but, I've lived a pretty tough life myself, I've been homeless, isolated, hungry, etc,. (I'm honestly, about a year away from stuffing a gun in mouth and pulling the trigger, so, really, f*ck you.)
Do you think part of the problem may be that you do not have a very strong sense of humo(u)r?
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One of the biggest issues I've had on this site, and others, is with people who don't natively speak English. Some of them are very nice, and cool people. However, some of them, like to argue with you, despite barely being able to understand you. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind foreigners, however, I do mind the people in question, the ones who will blindly attack me, when in reality, it's their own fault. To clarify, I wouldn't go to a Japanese forum, and argue with people in Japanese, because, I don't properly understand the language, and a debate of any kind requires understanding. (As do conversations in general.) Do, you see where I'm coming from? I just don't understand the logic of these people, are they just stupid, international trolls, I don't know. ? I would almost suggest they stick to forums that cater to their own language, at least until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations. And okay, let's say they do come to an English speaking forum, and haven't quite mastered the language, well, perhaps they should avoid debates until they can understand what's going on a bit better. Am I wrong here? Should I be more patient? Should I ignore them when they act up? I've been arguing with them, but it seems to go nowhere, but, if you do nothing, then, they're not going to learn, or stop. (Can I report this behavior?) What do you guys think?
I got really, really pissed off once with a non English speaker who accused me of using the wrong word in something irreverent. Even after others said the word I had used was correct, if a little obscure in the way I had used it, he still insisted I had used the wrong word just because he had never used it like that.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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I got really, really pissed off once with a non English speaker who accused me of using the wrong word in something irreverent. Even after others said the word I had used was correct, if a little obscure in the way I had used it, he still insisted I had used the wrong word just because he had never used it like that.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
Inconceivable!
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Well, according alexa [^] , codeproject should be in Hindi; and we (non-hindi speaking) would be the ones that does not properly speak "native". Seriously, people have different way of interacting with other people, sometimes, it seems they are arguing, but they are just having a normal discussion, and the difference in language makes it more "argumentative" than it really is.
Nihil obstat
FYI, Hindi is not the common language of India. Hindi is not synonymous with India. In fact, the Hindi-speaking belt has the largest number of illiterates in India and produces the vast number of unskilled labor. They are NOT the people who are reading Codeproject.
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Do you think part of the problem may be that you do not have a very strong sense of humo(u)r?
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Inconceivable!
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One of the biggest issues I've had on this site, and others, is with people who don't natively speak English. Some of them are very nice, and cool people. However, some of them, like to argue with you, despite barely being able to understand you. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind foreigners, however, I do mind the people in question, the ones who will blindly attack me, when in reality, it's their own fault. To clarify, I wouldn't go to a Japanese forum, and argue with people in Japanese, because, I don't properly understand the language, and a debate of any kind requires understanding. (As do conversations in general.) Do, you see where I'm coming from? I just don't understand the logic of these people, are they just stupid, international trolls, I don't know. ? I would almost suggest they stick to forums that cater to their own language, at least until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations. And okay, let's say they do come to an English speaking forum, and haven't quite mastered the language, well, perhaps they should avoid debates until they can understand what's going on a bit better. Am I wrong here? Should I be more patient? Should I ignore them when they act up? I've been arguing with them, but it seems to go nowhere, but, if you do nothing, then, they're not going to learn, or stop. (Can I report this behavior?) What do you guys think?
It's the Dunning-Kruger effect[^]; a lot of the time they don't realize how poor their English actually is.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Well, according alexa [^] , codeproject should be in Hindi; and we (non-hindi speaking) would be the ones that does not properly speak "native". Seriously, people have different way of interacting with other people, sometimes, it seems they are arguing, but they are just having a normal discussion, and the difference in language makes it more "argumentative" than it really is.
Nihil obstat
Maximilien wrote:
codeproject should be in Hindi;
:doh: Oye... India doesn't mean Hindi... I'm a real true Indian but Hindi isn't my native... I speak Odia... That's why we use English in GIT
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How does that make me a snob? It's rude to argue with people in a language you don't understand. So, if I went to a Japanese forum, and acted like a complete jerk, it's okay, because I'm foreign? Please.
I suppose native English-speakers here is a minority. So, what is rude? If you think that someone doesn't understand you, tell this, try to explain in more simple language, or just end the discussion. Exactly as anyone does so in local forums.
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One of the biggest issues I've had on this site, and others, is with people who don't natively speak English. Some of them are very nice, and cool people. However, some of them, like to argue with you, despite barely being able to understand you. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind foreigners, however, I do mind the people in question, the ones who will blindly attack me, when in reality, it's their own fault. To clarify, I wouldn't go to a Japanese forum, and argue with people in Japanese, because, I don't properly understand the language, and a debate of any kind requires understanding. (As do conversations in general.) Do, you see where I'm coming from? I just don't understand the logic of these people, are they just stupid, international trolls, I don't know. ? I would almost suggest they stick to forums that cater to their own language, at least until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations. And okay, let's say they do come to an English speaking forum, and haven't quite mastered the language, well, perhaps they should avoid debates until they can understand what's going on a bit better. Am I wrong here? Should I be more patient? Should I ignore them when they act up? I've been arguing with them, but it seems to go nowhere, but, if you do nothing, then, they're not going to learn, or stop. (Can I report this behavior?) What do you guys think?
An American complaining about people not using English correctly. Just when I thought i had seen it all.
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An American complaining about people not using English correctly. Just when I thought i had seen it all.
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It's the Dunning-Kruger effect[^]; a lot of the time they don't realize how poor their English actually is.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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That's not my complaint, not at all. My complaint, is with people who DO NOT understand English trying to argue with people who DO understand English.
I think you'll find that's what he was saying... :laugh:
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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I don't think you understood the post, nor who made it.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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1: Remove that huge stick from your anal region. 2: Run to the humor store: buy as much as you can afford. 3: Pretentious: just a little bit.
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