Question: Language Barrier
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as X's English improved his tone became less confrontational, I suspect this was at least in part because of poor word choice and not understanding how it affected his meaning.
No, X got milder as he got older... Now seriously: there is such a thing as cultural impedance. It happened a few months ago to Luis Suárez (using a word that is an insult in English, and just a word in Spanish); a few decades ago, I had to ask an American friend to explain me a joke, because that same word was in the punchline. In my opinion, the OP may: 1. When reading something that sounds abrasive due to a poor choice of words, take into account that possibility; maybe even with a comment like 'by the way, such and such expression is considered rude in English, although I understand it may be different in your language'. 2. When reading an insult that was obviously and unequivocally meant to hurt, fight back. A mix of gibberish and movie quotes, with a LMGTFY link may do the trick. 3. Consider not feeding the trolls. You may find some occasionally in the Q&A.
Pablo. "Accident: An inevitable occurrence due to the action of immutable natural laws." (Ambrose Bierce, circa 1899).
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2. When reading an insult that was obviously and unequivocally meant to hurt, fight back. A mix of gibberish and movie quotes, with a LMGTFY link may do the trick.
You're my new hero. :D
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3. Consider not feeding the trolls. You may find some occasionally in the Q&A.
Yeah, I need to work on that one a bit. :(
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Hold on, I'm confused. I thought the LOUNGE was all about, doing whatever we wanted? You can't have it both ways, can I say whatever I want here, or not? (According to you, and another poster, you can do whatever you want, because it's the lounge, so, which is it?)
Correct, you ARE confused. And a troll. Of course you can say what you want (to a point); however, you seem to want others to respect you and you want them to conform to your requirements for "your topic." My point was that we are required to do neither -- in particular conform to your requirements regarding *any* topic. If you want respect, show it. Unless things have changed since I originally read the thread, you hadn't been reported for abuse even though you have certainly earned it with some of your antisocial comments, so you're being given more respect than you deserve at this point. Now perhaps you're usually a great person and are just having a bad day and unloading on us as a result. If that's the case then perhaps you should step away from the keyboard and enhance your calm. Then you can come back to the keyboard and play nicely.
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I believe you just proved your point. :)
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
Dang, you made me go back to see if I'd left the smiley off of my post!
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I think you'll find that most American do understand English. It's old people, that fail to realize that America is the melting pot, it's culture is constantly evolving. Most of what you see on the internet, and in the world today, is just slang, the rest, is stupidity, I won't argue that, it's blatant. My point, is that American English is constantly evolving, or as the kids would say, ya gotta keep up wit da timez dawg, do ya feel me?
Hah! "Two countries separated by a common language" You don't even use the same alphabet, much less the same spelling! :laugh: Hint: "Zee" is not a letter of the alphabet; it's "Zed" ;)
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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Marc A. Brown wrote:
Hey, some of us do. We're not all ignorant hicks
Yes you are.
Marc A. Brown wrote:
just like not all Aussies are drunken fools! :laugh:
Yes we are.
>Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Thanks, I LOLed.
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I think I've worked out why you always argue with people who are not native English speakers. I've also just checked, and apparently you're not in charge of the Internet. I know, I was surprised too.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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Dang, you made me go back to see if I'd left the smiley off of my post!
:laugh:
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
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Correct, you ARE confused. And a troll. Of course you can say what you want (to a point); however, you seem to want others to respect you and you want them to conform to your requirements for "your topic." My point was that we are required to do neither -- in particular conform to your requirements regarding *any* topic. If you want respect, show it. Unless things have changed since I originally read the thread, you hadn't been reported for abuse even though you have certainly earned it with some of your antisocial comments, so you're being given more respect than you deserve at this point. Now perhaps you're usually a great person and are just having a bad day and unloading on us as a result. If that's the case then perhaps you should step away from the keyboard and enhance your calm. Then you can come back to the keyboard and play nicely.
Maybe you should take your own advice. The only people I've said anything negative towards are: 1. People who have openly started debates with me. (I fight back, sorry if that bothers you.) 2. People who want to argue in languages they don't understand. (A very small minority of people.) So, report me, or whatever, I've done nothing wrong here. (Just make sure someone who ACTUALLY understands English reviews my post...) -- You act as if I'm in here just bashing foreigners, and that's just not the case, the truth of the matter is simple, you fall into one of these categories. 1. Don't understand English - And are in fact the very topic of discussion. 2. You are "projecting" your own feelings, and thoughts on to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection[^] Or, as I stated originally, perhaps you just need to take your own advice.
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perhaps you should step away from the keyboard and enhance your calm. Then you can come back to the keyboard and play nicely
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ChrisElston wrote:
I've also just checked, and apparently you're not in charge of the Internet.
:laugh: priceless
Yeah, I think Stewie Griffin has something to say about that:
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God what a clever, smart girl you must be, to come up with a joke like that all by yourself. That's so fresh, too. Any, any Titanic jokes you want to throw at me too as long as we're hitting these phenomena at the height of their popularity. God, you're so funny!"
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Joe_Dert wrote:
Neither am I.
And yet the evidence is to the contrary.
Joe_Dert wrote:
Unless of course you consider these pathetic troll post to be of some substance. (I don't.)
You think I'm a troll? No, not with 200k rep points: I'd have been busted a long time ago. No, what you are singularly failing to get is that I'm taking the piss out of you. If you intend to have a full and rich life here on CP (no reason why you shouldn't if you can learn to give AND take it) you need to get used to it or stop making dumb posts (Not your original post but the ones where you don't get it).
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
No, you don't get it, so, I'm going to go ahead and turn up my sarcasm a few notches. OMFG!!! He pretended to be foreign, HOW F*CKING HILARIOUS!!!! LOLOL!L!!!! /sarcasm (Btw, that comes with a side of DERP, no sarcasm here, you're literally DERP.) Look, if you want to make me laugh, try being funny. (Again, I'm serious, you're puppet funny at best, which isn't funny at all, do you hear me Jeff Dunham, do you???) But hey, I'll work with you. I've got an idea for a good joke myself, I'll make an ALT count, pretend to be a girl, make you fall in love with me, and then, when we finally meet, I'll be like, GOTCHA!!! /sarcasm You'll love it, it's your kind of humor. ;) (Note the wink, hinting to the joke at your expense.) ---- (Edit: Apparently I didn't turn up my sarcasm enough, because, well, see the reply... It's sad folks.) (Edit2: Wow, I had to literally add /sarcasm tags and annotations, because, they were necessary, apparently... Kind of ruins the effect, I think, but, whatever, my audience is a bit, slow.)
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One of the biggest issues I've had on this site, and others, is with people who don't natively speak English. Some of them are very nice, and cool people. However, some of them, like to argue with you, despite barely being able to understand you. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind foreigners, however, I do mind the people in question, the ones who will blindly attack me, when in reality, it's their own fault. To clarify, I wouldn't go to a Japanese forum, and argue with people in Japanese, because, I don't properly understand the language, and a debate of any kind requires understanding. (As do conversations in general.) Do, you see where I'm coming from? I just don't understand the logic of these people, are they just stupid, international trolls, I don't know. ? I would almost suggest they stick to forums that cater to their own language, at least until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations. And okay, let's say they do come to an English speaking forum, and haven't quite mastered the language, well, perhaps they should avoid debates until they can understand what's going on a bit better. Am I wrong here? Should I be more patient? Should I ignore them when they act up? I've been arguing with them, but it seems to go nowhere, but, if you do nothing, then, they're not going to learn, or stop. (Can I report this behavior?) What do you guys think?
Joe_Dert wrote:
Do, you see where I'm coming from?
Let me guess... USA? :-D Because in India, we say 'Do you understand me?' (in 24 fame Jack Bauer tone). OK so apart from the lame joke... How do you suggest these people with limited English language skill will improve when you don't want them talking. I think the best way to learn a language is to use it / apply it. I understand sometimes it is difficult to deal with certain people, but you are not talking to them in person right? You can always ignore them. You always have complete control on the debate, you can always make it stop from your end.
Joe_Dert wrote:
they just stupid, international trolls,
Trust me, people with better control over English language are much more difficult to deal with when they are trolling. And I am guessing you are new here, (you are here since 3 years but just started contributing.) be patient and you will get over these silly things... :)
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I have plenty of friends who don't speak English natively, don't act like you know me. This whole topic is about: People who try to argue\debate in languages that they don't understand well enough to be doing so. That's hardly a LARGE portion of the worlds population, most people have enough sense not to be doing this.
Joe_Dert wrote:
don't act like you know me.
I'm not.
Joe_Dert wrote:
This whole topic is about:
People who try to argue\debate in languages that they don't understand well enough to be doing so.No, it's about you being an arrogant so and so.
Use the best guess
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The classic phrase of glass houses springs to mind. You've been twatted by an Indian over your poor English and try to fight back with stupid. Again you've been shown up by the natives better command of the language.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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I think I've worked out why you always argue with people who are not native English speakers. I've also just checked, and apparently you're not in charge of the Internet. I know, I was surprised too.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
ChrisElston wrote:
I've also just checked, and apparently you're not in charge of the Internet. I know, I was surprised too.
Man, that was SO FULL OF WIN. +5
If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right - Henry Ford Emmanuel Medina Lopez
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Not everything is a joke, nor should it be. I'm all about fun, in the proper place, and time, but this, this is like having a clown at a funeral, it's not funny, at all.
Joe_Dert wrote:
this is like having a clown at a funeral, it's not funny, at all.
Depends on whose funeral it is
If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right - Henry Ford Emmanuel Medina Lopez
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Hey, some of us do. We're not all ignorant hicks, just like not all Aussies are drunken fools! :laugh:
It's ignorant to ask a question about the morality of debating people who are at an obvious disadvantage? It's a serious question: Mutual respect demands that I debate them, they're people, they entered the debate willingly, etc,. However, another part of me feels kind of bad about it, because, they don't really understand the conversation. Thus, I sought outside opinions on the matter to gain perspective.
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Why didn't you say so! I have gotten into it with SAK over language issues (see here). He is very... *searches for kind phrasing*... set in his opinions. In any event, he's a great help to the site... I'd just let him keep doing his thing.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
He is very... *searches for kind phrasing*... set in his opinions.
I read this as: "He is a major sunshine"
If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right - Henry Ford Emmanuel Medina Lopez
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No, you don't get it, so, I'm going to go ahead and turn up my sarcasm a few notches. OMFG!!! He pretended to be foreign, HOW F*CKING HILARIOUS!!!! LOLOL!L!!!! /sarcasm (Btw, that comes with a side of DERP, no sarcasm here, you're literally DERP.) Look, if you want to make me laugh, try being funny. (Again, I'm serious, you're puppet funny at best, which isn't funny at all, do you hear me Jeff Dunham, do you???) But hey, I'll work with you. I've got an idea for a good joke myself, I'll make an ALT count, pretend to be a girl, make you fall in love with me, and then, when we finally meet, I'll be like, GOTCHA!!! /sarcasm You'll love it, it's your kind of humor. ;) (Note the wink, hinting to the joke at your expense.) ---- (Edit: Apparently I didn't turn up my sarcasm enough, because, well, see the reply... It's sad folks.) (Edit2: Wow, I had to literally add /sarcasm tags and annotations, because, they were necessary, apparently... Kind of ruins the effect, I think, but, whatever, my audience is a bit, slow.)
Joe_Dert wrote:
OMFG!!! He pretended to be foreign, HOW F*CKING HILARIOUS!!!! LOLOL!L!!!! (This comes with a side of DERP, btw.)
What are you? 10?
Joe_Dert wrote:
Look, if you want to make me laugh, try being funny.
Others thought I was. I thought I was. You didn't. You're in a minority of one. Enjoy.
Joe_Dert wrote:
But hey, I'll work with you.
No, I don't think so.
Joe_Dert wrote:
I've got an idea for a good joke myself, I'll make an ALT count, pretend to be a girl, make you fall in love with me, and then, when we finally meet, I'll be like, GOTCHA!!!
That's the best you got? Really? You won't last long here.
Joe_Dert wrote:
You'll love it, it's your kind of humor.
:zzz:
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
He is very... *searches for kind phrasing*... set in his opinions.
I read this as: "He is a major sunshine"
If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right - Henry Ford Emmanuel Medina Lopez
I didn't say that. But I didn't not say that either. ;)
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If you just look at Indian software folks, Telugu may be the best language to use :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com The life of a Malayalee American - by Nish
An article I recently wrote for an event souvenir
One of my Indian coworkers speaks that!
If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right - Henry Ford Emmanuel Medina Lopez
