Question: Language Barrier
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Joe_Dert wrote:
but then, they seem to ALWAYS take some innocent comment, that NO American would even care about as the f*cking starting pistol for Armageddon.
That statement seems to suggest that in fact you recognize that your comment, regardless of how others might choose to take it, is less that ideal for the given conversation. And then from that comment, your comment, things go down hill. That would certainly seem to suggest to me a possible cause of the problem. Although I note again I still haven't seen an example.
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I think if you're arguing with them, then you are part of the problem. Perhaps you could take the time to help them understand that what you said was not meant to be offensive, and then you can be a valid contributor to the site, or you can be offended by the vast majority of visitors to the site. I prefer to choose the route of knowing that their understanding of English is better than my understanding of their language.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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I think if you're arguing with them, then you are part of the problem.
No. You know full and well, that many programming topics come loaded for debate, and EVERYONE here does so to some extent or another.
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Perhaps you could take the time to help them understand that what you said was not meant to be offensive, and then you can be a valid contributor to the site, or you can be offended by the vast majority of visitors to the site.
Sure, but, perhaps they could understand that their knowledge of the English language is very basic, and maybe, just maybe, realize that they shouldn't go jumping to conclusions and attacking people. They KNOW that they're just learning the language, and they SHOULD KNOW that this can lead to misunderstandings, so, it's THEIR responsibility to seek clarification when the need arises.
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I think if you're arguing with them, then you are part of the problem.
No. You know full and well, that many programming topics come loaded for debate, and EVERYONE here does so to some extent or another.
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Perhaps you could take the time to help them understand that what you said was not meant to be offensive, and then you can be a valid contributor to the site, or you can be offended by the vast majority of visitors to the site.
Sure, but, perhaps they could understand that their knowledge of the English language is very basic, and maybe, just maybe, realize that they shouldn't go jumping to conclusions and attacking people. They KNOW that they're just learning the language, and they SHOULD KNOW that this can lead to misunderstandings, so, it's THEIR responsibility to seek clarification when the need arises.
Of course things are loaded for debate. However, looking at that particular thread of comments, the person who comes across as the biggest jerk is you. I know you don't agree with this, but the arrogance that dripped off that thread was hilarious - mind you, I am seriously contemplating deleting your comments because there is no place on a site like this for the type of language and personal attacks you launched. You may be an elite hacker, but you have zero social skills, so the problem is definitely at your end of the keyboard.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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I think if you're arguing with them, then you are part of the problem.
No. You know full and well, that many programming topics come loaded for debate, and EVERYONE here does so to some extent or another.
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Perhaps you could take the time to help them understand that what you said was not meant to be offensive, and then you can be a valid contributor to the site, or you can be offended by the vast majority of visitors to the site.
Sure, but, perhaps they could understand that their knowledge of the English language is very basic, and maybe, just maybe, realize that they shouldn't go jumping to conclusions and attacking people. They KNOW that they're just learning the language, and they SHOULD KNOW that this can lead to misunderstandings, so, it's THEIR responsibility to seek clarification when the need arises.
Your bridge. Go back to it.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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Joe_Dert wrote:
Well, I don't know, perhaps the part where he either FAILED to READ the topic, or, FAILED to UNDERSTAND it
I read your entire response. I see nothing that suggests a language problem. Failure to understand your response doesn't mean that the person would understand it if their language comprehension was better. Nor does one case (individual) make a rule.
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So, I'm a code thief, and I need to take my programming more seriously and write my own code....
Neither the individuals statement nor your response has anything to do with comprehension.
No fluent English speaker would accuse you of stealing code, after you straight up, and directly explained that you wrote the f*cking code. (Unless they had VERY good reasons to be doing so, or were trolls, etc,.) Anyways, you shouldn't be discussing anyone's language comprehension skills, as you seem to have issues with it yourself....
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Seriously? How high do I need to turn up my sarcasm before it register in that tiny little brain of yours?
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What are you? 10?
That was the joke stupid, I was making fun of you... (I even explained that I was about to be REALLY sarcastic.) But, you raise a good question, Are you 10, because that's about the only people who would find his joke funny. (I think you've been in the office, for WAY too long, go outside buddy, maybe watch some comedies, and fix that awful sense of humor of yours.)
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That's the best you got? Really? You won't last long here.
My lord, you're stupid beyond belief. (That was a lame play, on the original joke, which was also lame, again, I was making fun of you.)
Nice try at turning it around but can't work for the reasons that a) what you believe passed as sarcastic humor didn't come close (writing a sentence in the style of a child doesn't count) and b) you didn't get any of it!!! Sad to say, the only stupid around here, right now, is you. Why, there is even another thread taking the piss out of you but I don't suppose that's registered with you.
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Of course things are loaded for debate. However, looking at that particular thread of comments, the person who comes across as the biggest jerk is you. I know you don't agree with this, but the arrogance that dripped off that thread was hilarious - mind you, I am seriously contemplating deleting your comments because there is no place on a site like this for the type of language and personal attacks you launched. You may be an elite hacker, but you have zero social skills, so the problem is definitely at your end of the keyboard.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierI don't appreciate you stalking me, reading one topic, and assuming that you have all the facts. (I'd crossed paths with one of the involved member on a few occasions, and had told him to never talk to me again. I assume the other is an ALT account for another member I had issues with.) Why don't you go read me and stefan_langs conversations, we fought a bit, but we've also had GREAT conversations, all of it was based on his choice of words when speaking to me. I don't just attack people, they earned it, in some way or another, and it's not your place to play judge, especially when you lack all of the facts.
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Joe_Dert wrote:
I'm seriously, confused, I have NO CLUE, what you're on about
If you spoke English you'd know the underlined comma was superfluous. BTW, superfluous means it wasn't needed and failed to add anything to the message. I said you have been shown up and it is true. Almost without fail, your diatribe has been ridiculed and belittled. You missed PB's[^] humorous use of Txtspk that showed his opinion of your age and IQ; both in the low teens. Then syou miss the humo(u)r[^] of a response to you reply. Next up you try and convince MM to play far. FFS, MM doesn't play far with his dick so you stand no chance. There are rules and there are conventions and we all, to greater or lesser extents, obey them. You crossed the one line that will get anyone flamed - don't troll. You might think you're not trolling, but offending non-Americans is trolling. This site is NOT American, it flies it's seal clubbing, 'roo loving, beer swilling credentials from the roof tops. We all work in English, not US-Can't Spell English or the Queen's Bally English but good International English. I've put down my gin for this, so read it, understand it and FFS stop being a dork!
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
I have a form of dyslexia, that causes me to screw things like that up. In fast pace exchanges I can't hide it as well, but, I generally can in normal conversations, since I can proof read it several times, etc,. But thanks for poking at my disability, you've proven yourself to be so much more understanding than I, when it comes to language problems. Edit: See, just fixed several typos, damn you dyslexia!!! (Edit2: Missed more of them...)
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I have a form of dyslexia, that causes me to screw things like that up. In fast pace exchanges I can't hide it as well, but, I generally can in normal conversations, since I can proof read it several times, etc,. But thanks for poking at my disability, you've proven yourself to be so much more understanding than I, when it comes to language problems. Edit: See, just fixed several typos, damn you dyslexia!!! (Edit2: Missed more of them...)
You really are a Sunshine.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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Thank you for continuing to prove my point. My share of this side conversation has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with you and EVERYTHING to do with taking a humorous shot at Mick's humorous shot (or, since he's an Aussie I guess it would be "humourous shot"). Again, take a breath. Take life, and yourself, less seriously.
If we knew each other better, it might be okay, be we've really only just met. If you like that sort of thing, and think yourselves witty, go join Joe Rogans forums, they love that stuff, and have plenty of witty folks. (It's basically how they measure respect on that forum, who's the wittiest.) Frankly, I stopped going after making a few post. (No, I won my debates.) I just didn't like that atmosphere.
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Hardly. You've attacked people who were injecting a bit of humor into the thread because you were trying so hard to be serious. I truly don't care about the original topic, and am not projecting anything. Nice try though. I also have no need to "take [my] own advice" since my calm is quite good, but thanks for your concern.
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Joe_Dert wrote:
It's rude to argue with people in a language you don't understand.
Per that phrasing it is actually impossible. One could neither read nor post. So the question is one of degree and not an absolute. In terms of degree - then no it isn't "rude". And actually the whole topic seems a bit illogical. A 'logical' argument in one in which the participants agree to the terms and then, using an agreed upon process, attempt to reach a conclusion based on those terms. The "argue" part is part of the process normally and not part of the term agreement. And you, far as I can tell, either are suggesting they don't understand the terms, which means you should either give up or explain it to them, or you ignore the fact that they don't understand the terms and then get irritated because the process fails. But of course it fails because of the lack of term agreement. Thus it is illogical.
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And do you respond angrily when they don't understand you? It's only convention that this site is English only, and I happen to think that it's best that we encourage and respect others. A little humility goes one hell of a long way.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierSigh, you guys win. It's my fault, I should have learned broken English and avoided these problems. What am I supposed to say? You're taking my words out of context, and you're applying meaning that was never there. I can't even get people who speak English to understand me, and then you WONDER why I get frustrated with people who can barely speak it to begin with under the same\similar conditions?
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And I call you a thin-skinned troll. I think you need to go back upstairs. Mommy is probably calling you to dinner.
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You really are a Sunshine.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
I think I got it right[^].
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Now, let me put this into perspective for you. (My perspective.) ---- Let's pretend to be a certain way towards a guy who DOESN'T know us at ALL. And when he believes that our personalities are indeed what we present them to be, we'll all laugh. Yeah, that's trolling 101, it was never funny, ever, it's always been stupid, and annoying. And frankly, seeing as I don't know you, I have to assume that however you present yourself to me, is indeed your REAL personality. This sort of trolling will never be funny to the person being trolled, EVER, because he believes you're an a**hole. (And, you've proven that assumption to quite correct, all of you, be ashamed.)
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If we knew each other better, it might be okay, be we've really only just met. If you like that sort of thing, and think yourselves witty, go join Joe Rogans forums, they love that stuff, and have plenty of witty folks. (It's basically how they measure respect on that forum, who's the wittiest.) Frankly, I stopped going after making a few post. (No, I won my debates.) I just didn't like that atmosphere.
Joe_Dert wrote:
Frankly, I stopped going after making a few post. (No, I won my debates.)
I'm curious, do you consider yourself winning the debates in this thread?
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
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Joe_Dert wrote:
Frankly, I stopped going after making a few post. (No, I won my debates.)
I'm curious, do you consider yourself winning the debates in this thread?
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
Yes. If you think you've won, you've fallen pray to a common problem with communities like this. (The ppl all tend to have similar view points, and humor, etc,.) So, of course you guys think yourselves victorious. I can tell you right now, your humor sucks, and your wit is nonexistent. --- Example: I got laughed off another forum. Basically, I suggested a feature for a project, and ppl called it stupid, impossible, said I didn't understand how code worked, etc,. (It turned into a BIG flame war.) About a year later, the feature had been implemented, and the supposed winners, don't show their faces anymore.
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If we knew each other better, it might be okay, be we've really only just met. If you like that sort of thing, and think yourselves witty, go join Joe Rogans forums, they love that stuff, and have plenty of witty folks. (It's basically how they measure respect on that forum, who's the wittiest.) Frankly, I stopped going after making a few post. (No, I won my debates.) I just didn't like that atmosphere.
I guess you won't like the atmosphere here either. We can be quite serious and quite humorous at the same time. There's also a large contingent here who don't suffer fools. Quite frankly, I'm shocked that you haven't been voted out of existence based on your childish behavior in this post alone. The silliness of the Lounge denizens has been a fixture of the site for longer than you've been a member, so telling said denizens to shove off and take their banter elsewhere isn't going to make a difference. I, along with many others, come to this site for the combination of technical expertise and general goofiness of our fellow members. If that isn't the kind of community that you're looking for, you may want to keep looking (in order to keep yourself happier). If you're willing/eager to participate with the understanding that this is the kind of community you're part of, then be welcome.
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Now, let me put this into perspective for you. (My perspective.) ---- Let's pretend to be a certain way towards a guy who DOESN'T know us at ALL. And when he believes that our personalities are indeed what we present them to be, we'll all laugh. Yeah, that's trolling 101, it was never funny, ever, it's always been stupid, and annoying. And frankly, seeing as I don't know you, I have to assume that however you present yourself to me, is indeed your REAL personality. This sort of trolling will never be funny to the person being trolled, EVER, because he believes you're an a**hole. (And, you've proven that assumption to quite correct, all of you, be ashamed.)