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  • C Christian Graus

    OK, so my wife works for speech pathologists, who have muttered about me being 'on the spectrum' for years. I've read a lot of books on male/female brain difference ( which feminists insist do not exist, and even Skeptic magazine ran a fallacious story on the topic this month ), and one in particular, by Simon Baron Cohen ( cousin of Borat ), posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring. Autism, of course, is a debilitating condition, but, aspergers is less so, apart from the lack of social skills aspect. In the last year, Aspergers has been recognised as a high functioning form of mild autism. When you read that autism numbers are exploding, the cause is not vaccines, but the broadening of the definition. So, it seems almost certain that I am an aspie. And it seems to me likely that a good % of programmers are likely to be. I took the test[^] and scored 35 ( above 32 is an informal diagnosis and 16 is the average score for the general population ). I'm curious how many other people here are diagnosed or self diagnosed aspies, or may find that they could be, based on this test. The test was written by Simon Baron Cohen, the guy who wrote that book, he's written several others that I've also read, he's a smart guy.

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    Diagnosed aspie. It's common enough among programmers - at least the real ones, not the brogrammers. edit: scored 37, but it might not be reliable. I know how to game that test, so I may subconsciously have cheated.

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      OK, so my wife works for speech pathologists, who have muttered about me being 'on the spectrum' for years. I've read a lot of books on male/female brain difference ( which feminists insist do not exist, and even Skeptic magazine ran a fallacious story on the topic this month ), and one in particular, by Simon Baron Cohen ( cousin of Borat ), posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring. Autism, of course, is a debilitating condition, but, aspergers is less so, apart from the lack of social skills aspect. In the last year, Aspergers has been recognised as a high functioning form of mild autism. When you read that autism numbers are exploding, the cause is not vaccines, but the broadening of the definition. So, it seems almost certain that I am an aspie. And it seems to me likely that a good % of programmers are likely to be. I took the test[^] and scored 35 ( above 32 is an informal diagnosis and 16 is the average score for the general population ). I'm curious how many other people here are diagnosed or self diagnosed aspies, or may find that they could be, based on this test. The test was written by Simon Baron Cohen, the guy who wrote that book, he's written several others that I've also read, he's a smart guy.

      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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      Interesting. 27 for me. So I'm just an antisocial sunshine, it's not medical...

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        Interesting. 27 for me. So I'm just an antisocial sunshine, it's not medical...

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          Interesting. 27 for me. So I'm just an antisocial sunshine, it's not medical...

          The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)

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          OriginalGriff wrote:

          So I'm just an antisocial sunshine, it's not medical...

          I wouldn't stop taking them if I were you, just in case. :)

          Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln

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          • C Christian Graus

            OK, so my wife works for speech pathologists, who have muttered about me being 'on the spectrum' for years. I've read a lot of books on male/female brain difference ( which feminists insist do not exist, and even Skeptic magazine ran a fallacious story on the topic this month ), and one in particular, by Simon Baron Cohen ( cousin of Borat ), posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring. Autism, of course, is a debilitating condition, but, aspergers is less so, apart from the lack of social skills aspect. In the last year, Aspergers has been recognised as a high functioning form of mild autism. When you read that autism numbers are exploding, the cause is not vaccines, but the broadening of the definition. So, it seems almost certain that I am an aspie. And it seems to me likely that a good % of programmers are likely to be. I took the test[^] and scored 35 ( above 32 is an informal diagnosis and 16 is the average score for the general population ). I'm curious how many other people here are diagnosed or self diagnosed aspies, or may find that they could be, based on this test. The test was written by Simon Baron Cohen, the guy who wrote that book, he's written several others that I've also read, he's a smart guy.

            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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              Diagnosed aspie. It's common enough among programmers - at least the real ones, not the brogrammers. edit: scored 37, but it might not be reliable. I know how to game that test, so I may subconsciously have cheated.

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              Yeah, I tried to not 'game' it, I sure know what they are asking. But, I've done one in the presence of my wife and she claims I give my self too much credit and my score should be higher.....

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                OriginalGriff wrote:

                So I'm just an antisocial sunshine, it's not medical...

                I wouldn't stop taking them if I were you, just in case. :)

                Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln

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                I already have the tin foil hat to keep the voices down...

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                • C Christian Graus

                  OK, so my wife works for speech pathologists, who have muttered about me being 'on the spectrum' for years. I've read a lot of books on male/female brain difference ( which feminists insist do not exist, and even Skeptic magazine ran a fallacious story on the topic this month ), and one in particular, by Simon Baron Cohen ( cousin of Borat ), posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring. Autism, of course, is a debilitating condition, but, aspergers is less so, apart from the lack of social skills aspect. In the last year, Aspergers has been recognised as a high functioning form of mild autism. When you read that autism numbers are exploding, the cause is not vaccines, but the broadening of the definition. So, it seems almost certain that I am an aspie. And it seems to me likely that a good % of programmers are likely to be. I took the test[^] and scored 35 ( above 32 is an informal diagnosis and 16 is the average score for the general population ). I'm curious how many other people here are diagnosed or self diagnosed aspies, or may find that they could be, based on this test. The test was written by Simon Baron Cohen, the guy who wrote that book, he's written several others that I've also read, he's a smart guy.

                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                  Jorgen Andersson
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                  Scored 32. Autism and Aspergers isn't a sickness or even a proper diagnosis as much as a collection of behavioural symptoms. It's just one side of the Gaussian distribution of personalities. I'm introvert, possibly an Aspie and borderline autistic. So let the psychologists have their fun. The funny part was that one question in the test was about whether I liked to collect information about categories of things. Isn't that what the shrinks are doing.

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                    Scored 32. Autism and Aspergers isn't a sickness or even a proper diagnosis as much as a collection of behavioural symptoms. It's just one side of the Gaussian distribution of personalities. I'm introvert, possibly an Aspie and borderline autistic. So let the psychologists have their fun. The funny part was that one question in the test was about whether I liked to collect information about categories of things. Isn't that what the shrinks are doing.

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                    Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                    I'm introvert, possibly an Aspie and borderline autistic

                    Well, those are the same thing ( aspergers is the thin end of the autism spectrum ).

                    Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                    . The funny part was that one question in the test was about whether I liked to collect information about categories of things. Isn't that what the shrinks are doing.

                    *grin* I just read a book by a guy who has aspergers and he explains that collecting information isn't always weird. His example was, if you're a teenage boy and obsessed with girls legs, that's normal. If you're a teenage boy and obsessed with brands of door handles, that's probably weird.

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                    • C Christian Graus

                      Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                      I'm introvert, possibly an Aspie and borderline autistic

                      Well, those are the same thing ( aspergers is the thin end of the autism spectrum ).

                      Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                      . The funny part was that one question in the test was about whether I liked to collect information about categories of things. Isn't that what the shrinks are doing.

                      *grin* I just read a book by a guy who has aspergers and he explains that collecting information isn't always weird. His example was, if you're a teenage boy and obsessed with girls legs, that's normal. If you're a teenage boy and obsessed with brands of door handles, that's probably weird.

                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                      Christian Graus wrote:

                      if you're a teenage boy and obsessed with girls legs, that's normal

                      But I'm a grownup man, kind of... :~

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                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        if you're a teenage boy and obsessed with girls legs, that's normal

                        But I'm a grownup man, kind of... :~

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                        Well, his book was a follow on to a book about HIS son, and was mostly aimed at teenagers trying to understand a diagnosis and figure out strategies for dealing with it. I don't think the obsession ever ends, we're just expected to deal with it better as adults....

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                        • C Christian Graus

                          OK, so my wife works for speech pathologists, who have muttered about me being 'on the spectrum' for years. I've read a lot of books on male/female brain difference ( which feminists insist do not exist, and even Skeptic magazine ran a fallacious story on the topic this month ), and one in particular, by Simon Baron Cohen ( cousin of Borat ), posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring. Autism, of course, is a debilitating condition, but, aspergers is less so, apart from the lack of social skills aspect. In the last year, Aspergers has been recognised as a high functioning form of mild autism. When you read that autism numbers are exploding, the cause is not vaccines, but the broadening of the definition. So, it seems almost certain that I am an aspie. And it seems to me likely that a good % of programmers are likely to be. I took the test[^] and scored 35 ( above 32 is an informal diagnosis and 16 is the average score for the general population ). I'm curious how many other people here are diagnosed or self diagnosed aspies, or may find that they could be, based on this test. The test was written by Simon Baron Cohen, the guy who wrote that book, he's written several others that I've also read, he's a smart guy.

                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                          Ha, 35 too. Depending on my mood, I could see that fluctuating easily a few points either way though.

                          Christian Graus wrote:

                          posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring

                          Well, that's a small comfort (I remember from a psychology class in college that my finger length ratio indicated high testosterone... or something of that sort). :)

                          Christian Graus wrote:

                          a good % of programmers are likely to be

                          Would be interesting to know the percent. From the recent poll, a bunch of us are INTJ's (way higher than the general population).

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                          • C Christian Graus

                            OK, so my wife works for speech pathologists, who have muttered about me being 'on the spectrum' for years. I've read a lot of books on male/female brain difference ( which feminists insist do not exist, and even Skeptic magazine ran a fallacious story on the topic this month ), and one in particular, by Simon Baron Cohen ( cousin of Borat ), posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring. Autism, of course, is a debilitating condition, but, aspergers is less so, apart from the lack of social skills aspect. In the last year, Aspergers has been recognised as a high functioning form of mild autism. When you read that autism numbers are exploding, the cause is not vaccines, but the broadening of the definition. So, it seems almost certain that I am an aspie. And it seems to me likely that a good % of programmers are likely to be. I took the test[^] and scored 35 ( above 32 is an informal diagnosis and 16 is the average score for the general population ). I'm curious how many other people here are diagnosed or self diagnosed aspies, or may find that they could be, based on this test. The test was written by Simon Baron Cohen, the guy who wrote that book, he's written several others that I've also read, he's a smart guy.

                            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                              Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                              I'm introvert, possibly an Aspie and borderline autistic

                              Well, those are the same thing ( aspergers is the thin end of the autism spectrum ).

                              Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                              . The funny part was that one question in the test was about whether I liked to collect information about categories of things. Isn't that what the shrinks are doing.

                              *grin* I just read a book by a guy who has aspergers and he explains that collecting information isn't always weird. His example was, if you're a teenage boy and obsessed with girls legs, that's normal. If you're a teenage boy and obsessed with brands of door handles, that's probably weird.

                              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                              Christian Graus wrote:

                              collecting [...] isn't always weird [...] girls legs, that's normal

                              :~ I guess normal and legal aren't necessarily the same thing.

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                                Ha, 35 too. Depending on my mood, I could see that fluctuating easily a few points either way though.

                                Christian Graus wrote:

                                posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring

                                Well, that's a small comfort (I remember from a psychology class in college that my finger length ratio indicated high testosterone... or something of that sort). :)

                                Christian Graus wrote:

                                a good % of programmers are likely to be

                                Would be interesting to know the percent. From the recent poll, a bunch of us are INTJ's (way higher than the general population).

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                                AspDotNetDev wrote:

                                Depending on my mood, I could see that fluctuating easily a few points either way though.

                                *grin* the other thing is, I'd have been WAY higher as a teenager, I've certainly learned to cope with things that I could not deal with at all as a teen. It's also true I know enough about aspergers that I could game it for the max or min score if I wanted to, or pretty close, so I have to be careful if I am trying for a serious result.

                                AspDotNetDev wrote:

                                Well, that's a small comfort (I remember from a psychology class in college that my finger length ratio indicated high testosterone... or something of that sort).

                                *grin* and did you say 'ladies, you know what they say about guys with long fingers....' ?

                                AspDotNetDev wrote:

                                From the recent poll, a bunch of us are INTJ's (way higher than the general population).

                                It seems obvious to me. People who work alone, immersed in chains of complex logic, concentrating on the same thing for hours. We're not going to be extroverts with short attention spans, are we ?

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                                  Well, his book was a follow on to a book about HIS son, and was mostly aimed at teenagers trying to understand a diagnosis and figure out strategies for dealing with it. I don't think the obsession ever ends, we're just expected to deal with it better as adults....

                                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                  Jorgen Andersson
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                                  Christian Graus wrote:

                                  we're just expected to deal with it better as adults....

                                  Oh, I have no problems dealing with it. :)

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                                    AspDotNetDev wrote:

                                    Depending on my mood, I could see that fluctuating easily a few points either way though.

                                    *grin* the other thing is, I'd have been WAY higher as a teenager, I've certainly learned to cope with things that I could not deal with at all as a teen. It's also true I know enough about aspergers that I could game it for the max or min score if I wanted to, or pretty close, so I have to be careful if I am trying for a serious result.

                                    AspDotNetDev wrote:

                                    Well, that's a small comfort (I remember from a psychology class in college that my finger length ratio indicated high testosterone... or something of that sort).

                                    *grin* and did you say 'ladies, you know what they say about guys with long fingers....' ?

                                    AspDotNetDev wrote:

                                    From the recent poll, a bunch of us are INTJ's (way higher than the general population).

                                    It seems obvious to me. People who work alone, immersed in chains of complex logic, concentrating on the same thing for hours. We're not going to be extroverts with short attention spans, are we ?

                                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    did you say 'ladies, you know what they say about guys with long fingers

                                    Nope, but I should have said, "ladies, you know what they say about guys with a large difference in their ring and index fingers..." Actually, probably better that I didn't.

                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    We're not going to be extroverts with short attention spans, are we ?

                                    You haven't met my coworkers then? ;P

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                                      OK, so my wife works for speech pathologists, who have muttered about me being 'on the spectrum' for years. I've read a lot of books on male/female brain difference ( which feminists insist do not exist, and even Skeptic magazine ran a fallacious story on the topic this month ), and one in particular, by Simon Baron Cohen ( cousin of Borat ), posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring. Autism, of course, is a debilitating condition, but, aspergers is less so, apart from the lack of social skills aspect. In the last year, Aspergers has been recognised as a high functioning form of mild autism. When you read that autism numbers are exploding, the cause is not vaccines, but the broadening of the definition. So, it seems almost certain that I am an aspie. And it seems to me likely that a good % of programmers are likely to be. I took the test[^] and scored 35 ( above 32 is an informal diagnosis and 16 is the average score for the general population ). I'm curious how many other people here are diagnosed or self diagnosed aspies, or may find that they could be, based on this test. The test was written by Simon Baron Cohen, the guy who wrote that book, he's written several others that I've also read, he's a smart guy.

                                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                      I scored 33 Now go away and leave me to my car number plate collection.

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                                        I scored 33 Now go away and leave me to my car number plate collection.

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                                        _Maxxx_ wrote:

                                        leave me to my car number plate collection

                                        I actually created a Facebook album for that. :sigh:

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                                          leave me to my car number plate collection

                                          I actually created a Facebook album for that. :sigh:

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                                          Awesome. I collect guitars, CDs, and books. That all seems normal to me.

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