Aspergers
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OK, so my wife works for speech pathologists, who have muttered about me being 'on the spectrum' for years. I've read a lot of books on male/female brain difference ( which feminists insist do not exist, and even Skeptic magazine ran a fallacious story on the topic this month ), and one in particular, by Simon Baron Cohen ( cousin of Borat ), posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring. Autism, of course, is a debilitating condition, but, aspergers is less so, apart from the lack of social skills aspect. In the last year, Aspergers has been recognised as a high functioning form of mild autism. When you read that autism numbers are exploding, the cause is not vaccines, but the broadening of the definition. So, it seems almost certain that I am an aspie. And it seems to me likely that a good % of programmers are likely to be. I took the test[^] and scored 35 ( above 32 is an informal diagnosis and 16 is the average score for the general population ). I'm curious how many other people here are diagnosed or self diagnosed aspies, or may find that they could be, based on this test. The test was written by Simon Baron Cohen, the guy who wrote that book, he's written several others that I've also read, he's a smart guy.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Scored 32. Autism and Aspergers isn't a sickness or even a proper diagnosis as much as a collection of behavioural symptoms. It's just one side of the Gaussian distribution of personalities. I'm introvert, possibly an Aspie and borderline autistic. So let the psychologists have their fun. The funny part was that one question in the test was about whether I liked to collect information about categories of things. Isn't that what the shrinks are doing.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
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Scored 32. Autism and Aspergers isn't a sickness or even a proper diagnosis as much as a collection of behavioural symptoms. It's just one side of the Gaussian distribution of personalities. I'm introvert, possibly an Aspie and borderline autistic. So let the psychologists have their fun. The funny part was that one question in the test was about whether I liked to collect information about categories of things. Isn't that what the shrinks are doing.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
I'm introvert, possibly an Aspie and borderline autistic
Well, those are the same thing ( aspergers is the thin end of the autism spectrum ).
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
. The funny part was that one question in the test was about whether I liked to collect information about categories of things. Isn't that what the shrinks are doing.
*grin* I just read a book by a guy who has aspergers and he explains that collecting information isn't always weird. His example was, if you're a teenage boy and obsessed with girls legs, that's normal. If you're a teenage boy and obsessed with brands of door handles, that's probably weird.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
I'm introvert, possibly an Aspie and borderline autistic
Well, those are the same thing ( aspergers is the thin end of the autism spectrum ).
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
. The funny part was that one question in the test was about whether I liked to collect information about categories of things. Isn't that what the shrinks are doing.
*grin* I just read a book by a guy who has aspergers and he explains that collecting information isn't always weird. His example was, if you're a teenage boy and obsessed with girls legs, that's normal. If you're a teenage boy and obsessed with brands of door handles, that's probably weird.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
if you're a teenage boy and obsessed with girls legs, that's normal
But I'm a grownup man, kind of... :~
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
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Christian Graus wrote:
if you're a teenage boy and obsessed with girls legs, that's normal
But I'm a grownup man, kind of... :~
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
Well, his book was a follow on to a book about HIS son, and was mostly aimed at teenagers trying to understand a diagnosis and figure out strategies for dealing with it. I don't think the obsession ever ends, we're just expected to deal with it better as adults....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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OK, so my wife works for speech pathologists, who have muttered about me being 'on the spectrum' for years. I've read a lot of books on male/female brain difference ( which feminists insist do not exist, and even Skeptic magazine ran a fallacious story on the topic this month ), and one in particular, by Simon Baron Cohen ( cousin of Borat ), posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring. Autism, of course, is a debilitating condition, but, aspergers is less so, apart from the lack of social skills aspect. In the last year, Aspergers has been recognised as a high functioning form of mild autism. When you read that autism numbers are exploding, the cause is not vaccines, but the broadening of the definition. So, it seems almost certain that I am an aspie. And it seems to me likely that a good % of programmers are likely to be. I took the test[^] and scored 35 ( above 32 is an informal diagnosis and 16 is the average score for the general population ). I'm curious how many other people here are diagnosed or self diagnosed aspies, or may find that they could be, based on this test. The test was written by Simon Baron Cohen, the guy who wrote that book, he's written several others that I've also read, he's a smart guy.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Ha, 35 too. Depending on my mood, I could see that fluctuating easily a few points either way though.
Christian Graus wrote:
posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring
Well, that's a small comfort (I remember from a psychology class in college that my finger length ratio indicated high testosterone... or something of that sort). :)
Christian Graus wrote:
a good % of programmers are likely to be
Would be interesting to know the percent. From the recent poll, a bunch of us are INTJ's (way higher than the general population).
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
I'm introvert, possibly an Aspie and borderline autistic
Well, those are the same thing ( aspergers is the thin end of the autism spectrum ).
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
. The funny part was that one question in the test was about whether I liked to collect information about categories of things. Isn't that what the shrinks are doing.
*grin* I just read a book by a guy who has aspergers and he explains that collecting information isn't always weird. His example was, if you're a teenage boy and obsessed with girls legs, that's normal. If you're a teenage boy and obsessed with brands of door handles, that's probably weird.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
collecting [...] isn't always weird [...] girls legs, that's normal
:~ I guess normal and legal aren't necessarily the same thing.
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OK, so my wife works for speech pathologists, who have muttered about me being 'on the spectrum' for years. I've read a lot of books on male/female brain difference ( which feminists insist do not exist, and even Skeptic magazine ran a fallacious story on the topic this month ), and one in particular, by Simon Baron Cohen ( cousin of Borat ), posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring. Autism, of course, is a debilitating condition, but, aspergers is less so, apart from the lack of social skills aspect. In the last year, Aspergers has been recognised as a high functioning form of mild autism. When you read that autism numbers are exploding, the cause is not vaccines, but the broadening of the definition. So, it seems almost certain that I am an aspie. And it seems to me likely that a good % of programmers are likely to be. I took the test[^] and scored 35 ( above 32 is an informal diagnosis and 16 is the average score for the general population ). I'm curious how many other people here are diagnosed or self diagnosed aspies, or may find that they could be, based on this test. The test was written by Simon Baron Cohen, the guy who wrote that book, he's written several others that I've also read, he's a smart guy.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Ha, 35 too. Depending on my mood, I could see that fluctuating easily a few points either way though.
Christian Graus wrote:
posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring
Well, that's a small comfort (I remember from a psychology class in college that my finger length ratio indicated high testosterone... or something of that sort). :)
Christian Graus wrote:
a good % of programmers are likely to be
Would be interesting to know the percent. From the recent poll, a bunch of us are INTJ's (way higher than the general population).
AspDotNetDev wrote:
Depending on my mood, I could see that fluctuating easily a few points either way though.
*grin* the other thing is, I'd have been WAY higher as a teenager, I've certainly learned to cope with things that I could not deal with at all as a teen. It's also true I know enough about aspergers that I could game it for the max or min score if I wanted to, or pretty close, so I have to be careful if I am trying for a serious result.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
Well, that's a small comfort (I remember from a psychology class in college that my finger length ratio indicated high testosterone... or something of that sort).
*grin* and did you say 'ladies, you know what they say about guys with long fingers....' ?
AspDotNetDev wrote:
From the recent poll, a bunch of us are INTJ's (way higher than the general population).
It seems obvious to me. People who work alone, immersed in chains of complex logic, concentrating on the same thing for hours. We're not going to be extroverts with short attention spans, are we ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Well, his book was a follow on to a book about HIS son, and was mostly aimed at teenagers trying to understand a diagnosis and figure out strategies for dealing with it. I don't think the obsession ever ends, we're just expected to deal with it better as adults....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
we're just expected to deal with it better as adults....
Oh, I have no problems dealing with it. :)
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
Depending on my mood, I could see that fluctuating easily a few points either way though.
*grin* the other thing is, I'd have been WAY higher as a teenager, I've certainly learned to cope with things that I could not deal with at all as a teen. It's also true I know enough about aspergers that I could game it for the max or min score if I wanted to, or pretty close, so I have to be careful if I am trying for a serious result.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
Well, that's a small comfort (I remember from a psychology class in college that my finger length ratio indicated high testosterone... or something of that sort).
*grin* and did you say 'ladies, you know what they say about guys with long fingers....' ?
AspDotNetDev wrote:
From the recent poll, a bunch of us are INTJ's (way higher than the general population).
It seems obvious to me. People who work alone, immersed in chains of complex logic, concentrating on the same thing for hours. We're not going to be extroverts with short attention spans, are we ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
did you say 'ladies, you know what they say about guys with long fingers
Nope, but I should have said, "ladies, you know what they say about guys with a large difference in their ring and index fingers..." Actually, probably better that I didn't.
Christian Graus wrote:
We're not going to be extroverts with short attention spans, are we ?
You haven't met my coworkers then? ;P
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OK, so my wife works for speech pathologists, who have muttered about me being 'on the spectrum' for years. I've read a lot of books on male/female brain difference ( which feminists insist do not exist, and even Skeptic magazine ran a fallacious story on the topic this month ), and one in particular, by Simon Baron Cohen ( cousin of Borat ), posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring. Autism, of course, is a debilitating condition, but, aspergers is less so, apart from the lack of social skills aspect. In the last year, Aspergers has been recognised as a high functioning form of mild autism. When you read that autism numbers are exploding, the cause is not vaccines, but the broadening of the definition. So, it seems almost certain that I am an aspie. And it seems to me likely that a good % of programmers are likely to be. I took the test[^] and scored 35 ( above 32 is an informal diagnosis and 16 is the average score for the general population ). I'm curious how many other people here are diagnosed or self diagnosed aspies, or may find that they could be, based on this test. The test was written by Simon Baron Cohen, the guy who wrote that book, he's written several others that I've also read, he's a smart guy.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I scored 33 Now go away and leave me to my car number plate collection.
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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I scored 33 Now go away and leave me to my car number plate collection.
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
_Maxxx_ wrote:
leave me to my car number plate collection
I actually created a Facebook album for that. :sigh:
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
leave me to my car number plate collection
I actually created a Facebook album for that. :sigh:
Awesome. I collect guitars, CDs, and books. That all seems normal to me.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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OK, so my wife works for speech pathologists, who have muttered about me being 'on the spectrum' for years. I've read a lot of books on male/female brain difference ( which feminists insist do not exist, and even Skeptic magazine ran a fallacious story on the topic this month ), and one in particular, by Simon Baron Cohen ( cousin of Borat ), posited that autism is in fact a type of hyper masculine brain wiring. Autism, of course, is a debilitating condition, but, aspergers is less so, apart from the lack of social skills aspect. In the last year, Aspergers has been recognised as a high functioning form of mild autism. When you read that autism numbers are exploding, the cause is not vaccines, but the broadening of the definition. So, it seems almost certain that I am an aspie. And it seems to me likely that a good % of programmers are likely to be. I took the test[^] and scored 35 ( above 32 is an informal diagnosis and 16 is the average score for the general population ). I'm curious how many other people here are diagnosed or self diagnosed aspies, or may find that they could be, based on this test. The test was written by Simon Baron Cohen, the guy who wrote that book, he's written several others that I've also read, he's a smart guy.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I scored a 32 or 33 on that test (took it a while ago, don't feel like taking it again right now). I'm working on getting an official diagnosis or being told I don't have it, but my insurance doesn't cover any of the specialists in my area, so it's kind of taking a back seat until I save a little money or manage to get my insurance to cooperate.
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Yeah, I tried to not 'game' it, I sure know what they are asking. But, I've done one in the presence of my wife and she claims I give my self too much credit and my score should be higher.....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
34 myself but it occurred to me that 'us' aspies always know how to game the test. Just an observation.
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Well, his book was a follow on to a book about HIS son, and was mostly aimed at teenagers trying to understand a diagnosis and figure out strategies for dealing with it. I don't think the obsession ever ends, we're just expected to deal with it better as adults....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
'deal with it' or hide it?
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I scored a 32 or 33 on that test (took it a while ago, don't feel like taking it again right now). I'm working on getting an official diagnosis or being told I don't have it, but my insurance doesn't cover any of the specialists in my area, so it's kind of taking a back seat until I save a little money or manage to get my insurance to cooperate.
The US insurance system is fundamentally broken IMO. I need to get a diagnosis because I can't get life insurance ( Aspergers as a diagnosis didn't exist before 1992, and in the mid 80s my social problems were misdiagnosed as schizophrenia )
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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34 myself but it occurred to me that 'us' aspies always know how to game the test. Just an observation.
Yes, I could definitely get a low score if I wanted. I know what they're asking.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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'deal with it' or hide it?
Deal with it by not showing it too obviously, I assume
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Awesome. I collect guitars, CDs, and books. That all seems normal to me.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I suppose I don't really see that as collecting so much as accruing. I also have a bunch of books and DVD's/blu-rays, but I didn't collect them for the sake of the collection... I just picked up each of them over time for their own sake. Though, I do still have most of my books, most of them I'm unlikely to ever read again, so I suppose that could be considered "collecting". Something I did collect when I was younger was A Bug's Life memorabilia. If there was something related to that movie, I pretty much had to have it (I had a case to display it all in). I even had the A Bug's Life themed ant farm. That was definitely a collection.