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  • M Mohammed Hameed

    List<Employee> employees = new List<Employee>();

    if (employees != null){
    employees = GetEmployees();
    }

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    David C Thompson
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    Probably code that has been edited and then not refactored. No real wtf here, ey?

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    • M Mohammed Hameed

      Quote:

      Is this inside a single method?

      Yes, it is.

      Quote:

      I'd be more concerned here with the fact you'd never fill the employees list.

      How??

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      bencr
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      It isn't really filling the list, it's replacing the reference with the result of that method call. I don't think that's what he meant though. A bit pedantic, I'm sorry.

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      • P peterchen

        Keeping the runtime on its toes.

        ORDER BY what user wants

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        englebart
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        More like the garbage collector...

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        • M Mohammed Hameed

          List<Employee> employees = new List<Employee>();

          if (employees != null){
          employees = GetEmployees();
          }

          Previous -> Read "CLR via C#" by Jeffrey Ritcher. Current -> Exploring WCF thru Apress' "Pro WCF" by Chris Peiris and Dennis Mulder. Next -> Need to read "The Art of Computer Programming" by Donald E. Knuth.

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          Mark Starr
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          Guess I don't know c# well enough, but I didn't this you could use any comparison operator against NULL. it's probably bad practice to even if the language allows it.

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          • M Mohammed Hameed

            List<Employee> employees = new List<Employee>();

            if (employees != null){
            employees = GetEmployees();
            }

            Previous -> Read "CLR via C#" by Jeffrey Ritcher. Current -> Exploring WCF thru Apress' "Pro WCF" by Chris Peiris and Dennis Mulder. Next -> Need to read "The Art of Computer Programming" by Donald E. Knuth.

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            GrumpyPants
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            Check your version control. It's possible declaration and/or the assignment at declaration was added later. If an earlier version of the method had the List passed as a parameter, then the test for non-null would make sense.

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            • M Mohammed Hameed

              List<Employee> employees = new List<Employee>();

              if (employees != null){
              employees = GetEmployees();
              }

              Previous -> Read "CLR via C#" by Jeffrey Ritcher. Current -> Exploring WCF thru Apress' "Pro WCF" by Chris Peiris and Dennis Mulder. Next -> Need to read "The Art of Computer Programming" by Donald E. Knuth.

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              RafagaX
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              I bet the person who wrote this comes from a C/C++ background, there, you have to check for null every time or you may blow out something...

              CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...

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              • M Mohammed Hameed

                List<Employee> employees = new List<Employee>();

                if (employees != null){
                employees = GetEmployees();
                }

                Previous -> Read "CLR via C#" by Jeffrey Ritcher. Current -> Exploring WCF thru Apress' "Pro WCF" by Chris Peiris and Dennis Mulder. Next -> Need to read "The Art of Computer Programming" by Donald E. Knuth.

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                Michael Losinski
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                The only thing that I can think of is technically new doesn't guarantee that the variable initialization will take place. In programming languages like c++ it could return null. This could happen if the memory was so fragmented that the allocation failed. However, instead of returning null in C# I believe it throws a out of memory exception. I have only seen this done in system critical embedded systems.

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                • M Mohammed Hameed

                  List<Employee> employees = new List<Employee>();

                  if (employees != null){
                  employees = GetEmployees();
                  }

                  Previous -> Read "CLR via C#" by Jeffrey Ritcher. Current -> Exploring WCF thru Apress' "Pro WCF" by Chris Peiris and Dennis Mulder. Next -> Need to read "The Art of Computer Programming" by Donald E. Knuth.

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                  Nilesh Shahane
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                  He is just double checking. :)

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                  • E englebart

                    More like the garbage collector...

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                    peterchen
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                    That's a real conundrum for the GC - "OK, if this object is still around, at this point, I can't GC it until then. But... but what if I ... secretlly GC it before the if?"

                    ORDER BY what user wants

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                    • M Mohammed Hameed

                      List<Employee> employees = new List<Employee>();

                      if (employees != null){
                      employees = GetEmployees();
                      }

                      Previous -> Read "CLR via C#" by Jeffrey Ritcher. Current -> Exploring WCF thru Apress' "Pro WCF" by Chris Peiris and Dennis Mulder. Next -> Need to read "The Art of Computer Programming" by Donald E. Knuth.

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                      MainFrameMan_ALIVE_AND_WELL
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                      Looks like a newbie whose prof in 101 programming hammered down checking objects before using them. This would be sensible if it were a thousand lines down in the code, but, if it is null where is the property/method to new it up?

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        Never mind - I've been up for the last 16 hours. I was reading != as == here for some reason. :doh:

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                        KP Lee
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                        Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                        I was reading != as == here

                        Thanks for the explanation, for a normally sensible person, I was wondering what you were smoking or what I missed with your prior comment too.

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                        • G GrumpyPants

                          Check your version control. It's possible declaration and/or the assignment at declaration was added later. If an earlier version of the method had the List passed as a parameter, then the test for non-null would make sense.

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                          Mohammed Hameed
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                          Quote:

                          It's possible declaration and/or the assignment at declaration was added later.

                          Ok but in the case if it is added later also, the guy should have removed the null check as it is not applicable now. Anyhow that wasn't the case, I checked the source control :)

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                          • D David C Thompson

                            Probably code that has been edited and then not refactored. No real wtf here, ey?

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                            Mohammed Hameed
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                            But that's not the case I have verified the previous versions from source control...

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                            • R RafagaX

                              I bet the person who wrote this comes from a C/C++ background, there, you have to check for null every time or you may blow out something...

                              CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...

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                              Mohammed Hameed
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                              Correct. *** You're superb,,, What a guess!!! *** :thumbsup:

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                                The only thing that I can think of is technically new doesn't guarantee that the variable initialization will take place. In programming languages like c++ it could return null. This could happen if the memory was so fragmented that the allocation failed. However, instead of returning null in C# I believe it throws a out of memory exception. I have only seen this done in system critical embedded systems.

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                                Mohammed Hameed
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                                Thanks Michael. That was a excellent explanation.

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                                • N Nilesh Shahane

                                  He is just double checking. :)

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                                  Mohammed Hameed
                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  :laugh: The same thing I told him when I saw this first time. :)

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                                  • M MainFrameMan_ALIVE_AND_WELL

                                    Looks like a newbie whose prof in 101 programming hammered down checking objects before using them. This would be sensible if it were a thousand lines down in the code, but, if it is null where is the property/method to new it up?

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                                    Mohammed Hameed
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                                    Well, he is 4 yrs exp.....

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                                    • E englebart

                                      More like the garbage collector...

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                                      Mohammed Hameed
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                                      :)

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                                      • B bencr

                                        It isn't really filling the list, it's replacing the reference with the result of that method call. I don't think that's what he meant though. A bit pedantic, I'm sorry.

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                                        KP Lee
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                                        I think the point was that

                                          List employees = GetEmployees();
                                        

                                        could just as well have been used to create a null or non-null employees object because the if statement would never be false for a statement that could produce a null result. In fact you might want to execute

                                          if (employees == null) throw...
                                        

                                        after executing the above line because now you are in a situation where the if statement could be true or false even if the current coding of the routine would never return null. (speaking of being pedantic...)

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                                        • Z ZurdoDev

                                          Do you two realize how much money you just cost CP with this waste of disk space? You better click on some ads to pay for your mistakes.

                                          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                          Mohammed Hameed
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                                          What was that message??, now its not there

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