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Seriously? Healthcare.gov is a Ruby on Rails site?

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  • R Rajesh R Subramanian

    The only way it could be "fixed" is to have it redone by professionals. It's amazing how silly the governments and politics can be, no matter what the country is. :)

    "Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

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    ZurdoDev
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    Quote:

    It's amazing how silly the governments and politics can be, no matter what the country is. Smile | :)

    Quite true.

    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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    • R Rajesh R Subramanian

      Dan Neely wrote:

      Twitter left their initial RoR implementation for PHP

      For PHP?! Whatever portions of RoR was replaced, I thought they replaced it with Scala.

      "Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

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      Dan Neely
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      Ooops; memory fail. But as a JVM language Scala still gets into the much better throughput bucket.

      Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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      • N Nemanja Trifunovic

        Dan Neely wrote:

        It's popularity is due to fast coding; not high server throughput

        That is true for most web technologies, including PHP.

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        Dan Neely
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        The gotcha with PHP is less server performance than PHPs high internal level of WTFitude.

        Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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        • M Marc Clifton

          https://github.com/CMSgov/healthcare.gov[^] Really? :omg: Marc

          Unit Testing Succinctly

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          It doesn't really matter what it was written in. The facts remain that : 0) The primary contractor is responsible for its sub-contractors, and for putting everyone's ducks in a row. 1) The customer (fed gov) probably didn't want to commit sufficient resources to the finished product (fail-over, and scaling). That's the way the government is. 2) Fed development contracts are very specific in their statement of work. Contractors can't stray outside the requirements, and change requests are not likely to be made/approved because that would restart the bidding process. 3) Contractors bid for work based on who they have on staff, regardless of a given employee's availability for the project. After they win the contract, they hire pretty much anyone that can spell "HTML". The bar is indeed low. 4) Despite the crying need to spend extra hours (overtime) on a given task, none is generally authorized. At quitting time, the contract manager effectively MAKES everybody leave. 5) Developing software while connected to a fed gov network is a royal pain in the ass for a developer. I've worked for several defense contractors on software projects, and I hope never to have to do it again.

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            https://github.com/CMSgov/healthcare.gov[^] Really? :omg: Marc

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            Mike Hankey
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            Wait a minute we (US taxpayers) paid $640,000,000 (roughly) for this site to be developed and it's open source? They ought to put Ruby on rails and run her ass out of town!

            VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. -Steven Wright

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            • R Rajesh R Subramanian

              The only way it could be "fixed" is to have it redone by professionals. It's amazing how silly the governments and politics can be, no matter what the country is. :)

              "Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

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              Chris Losinger
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              it was written by professionals. believe it or not, even professional programmers fuck up sometimes.

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              • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                Wait a minute we (US taxpayers) paid $640,000,000 (roughly) for this site to be developed and it's open source? They ought to put Ruby on rails and run her ass out of town!

                VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. -Steven Wright

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                Chris Losinger
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                Mike Hankey wrote:

                $640,000,000

                aka, the amount of money the DoD spends every 12 hours.

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                  Mike Hankey wrote:

                  $640,000,000

                  aka, the amount of money the DoD spends every 12 hours.

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                  Mike Hankey
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                  But not to develop a web site, I think that puts the $1500 hammer in a respectable light!

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                  • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                    But not to develop a web site, I think that puts the $1500 hammer in a respectable light!

                    VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. -Steven Wright

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                    Chris Losinger
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                    no, not to develop a website (though the DoD has plenty of those). but it did just spend $567M on planes that it will never use. but again, they can afford to do that literally every day before lunch. i'll bother being upset about the cost of a website for health insurance signup the day after the DoD's budget and spending makes a lick of sense.

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                      no, not to develop a website (though the DoD has plenty of those). but it did just spend $567M on planes that it will never use. but again, they can afford to do that literally every day before lunch. i'll bother being upset about the cost of a website for health insurance signup the day after the DoD's budget and spending makes a lick of sense.

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                      Mike Hankey
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                      The more I learn about the government the more upset I get so my best course of action is; 1) Go into my room and scream? (not a screamer, but I am a cusser) 2) Slap my palm to forehead and just accept that it's a stupid/corrupt system? 3) Take massive amounts of drugs? (Tried that back in 60s only temp. relief) 4) Take up meditation? (That was the 70s and didn't help) 5) or just say fuck it and not let it worry me? Choices choices choices!

                      VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. -Steven Wright

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                      • R realJSOP

                        It doesn't really matter what it was written in. The facts remain that : 0) The primary contractor is responsible for its sub-contractors, and for putting everyone's ducks in a row. 1) The customer (fed gov) probably didn't want to commit sufficient resources to the finished product (fail-over, and scaling). That's the way the government is. 2) Fed development contracts are very specific in their statement of work. Contractors can't stray outside the requirements, and change requests are not likely to be made/approved because that would restart the bidding process. 3) Contractors bid for work based on who they have on staff, regardless of a given employee's availability for the project. After they win the contract, they hire pretty much anyone that can spell "HTML". The bar is indeed low. 4) Despite the crying need to spend extra hours (overtime) on a given task, none is generally authorized. At quitting time, the contract manager effectively MAKES everybody leave. 5) Developing software while connected to a fed gov network is a royal pain in the ass for a developer. I've worked for several defense contractors on software projects, and I hope never to have to do it again.

                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                        Zero based bullet points. +10.

                        If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can. “We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone "The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone

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                        • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                          The more I learn about the government the more upset I get so my best course of action is; 1) Go into my room and scream? (not a screamer, but I am a cusser) 2) Slap my palm to forehead and just accept that it's a stupid/corrupt system? 3) Take massive amounts of drugs? (Tried that back in 60s only temp. relief) 4) Take up meditation? (That was the 70s and didn't help) 5) or just say fuck it and not let it worry me? Choices choices choices!

                          VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. -Steven Wright

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                          1. Come to Arizona 2) Buy 160 acres of worthless dirt 3) Dig a hole and cover it with brush 4) Purchase many guns and plenty of ammo 5) Crawl into hole with guns and ammo and wait for food to come to you 6) Avoid all forms of communication with the outside world that might be upsetting. PS - I'll be in the hole next door...:suss:

                          Will Rogers never met me.

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                            1. Come to Arizona 2) Buy 160 acres of worthless dirt 3) Dig a hole and cover it with brush 4) Purchase many guns and plenty of ammo 5) Crawl into hole with guns and ammo and wait for food to come to you 6) Avoid all forms of communication with the outside world that might be upsetting. PS - I'll be in the hole next door...:suss:

                            Will Rogers never met me.

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                            Mike Hankey
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                            I'll be in my hole with my illegal weapon!

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                            • M Marc Clifton

                              https://github.com/CMSgov/healthcare.gov[^] Really? :omg: Marc

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                              So a red ring of death on the heads-up will likely be followed by a red badge of courage? [edit] ??? How on Earth did this get disconnected from the "iron man soldiers" thread and attached to this one? Is someone wearing a Stark Industries disinformation suit?[/edit]

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                                It doesn't really matter what it was written in. The facts remain that : 0) The primary contractor is responsible for its sub-contractors, and for putting everyone's ducks in a row. 1) The customer (fed gov) probably didn't want to commit sufficient resources to the finished product (fail-over, and scaling). That's the way the government is. 2) Fed development contracts are very specific in their statement of work. Contractors can't stray outside the requirements, and change requests are not likely to be made/approved because that would restart the bidding process. 3) Contractors bid for work based on who they have on staff, regardless of a given employee's availability for the project. After they win the contract, they hire pretty much anyone that can spell "HTML". The bar is indeed low. 4) Despite the crying need to spend extra hours (overtime) on a given task, none is generally authorized. At quitting time, the contract manager effectively MAKES everybody leave. 5) Developing software while connected to a fed gov network is a royal pain in the ass for a developer. I've worked for several defense contractors on software projects, and I hope never to have to do it again.

                                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                -----
                                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                The facts

                                Indeed they are, and very well put. It seems that some things are constant in all governments, not just the US.

                                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                                  Wait a minute we (US taxpayers) paid $640,000,000 (roughly) for this site to be developed and it's open source? They ought to put Ruby on rails and run her ass out of town!

                                  VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. -Steven Wright

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                                  Mark_Wallace
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                                  At least that comparative pittance was spent on developers' families and homes.

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                                  • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                                    The more I learn about the government the more upset I get so my best course of action is; 1) Go into my room and scream? (not a screamer, but I am a cusser) 2) Slap my palm to forehead and just accept that it's a stupid/corrupt system? 3) Take massive amounts of drugs? (Tried that back in 60s only temp. relief) 4) Take up meditation? (That was the 70s and didn't help) 5) or just say fuck it and not let it worry me? Choices choices choices!

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                                    Chris Losinger
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                                    2 it is!

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                                    • C Chris Losinger

                                      it was written by professionals. believe it or not, even professional programmers fuck up sometimes.

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                                      3n1g
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                                      Just because someone does something for a living, does not mean they are good at it.

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                                        Just because someone does something for a living, does not mean they are good at it.

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                                        Chris Losinger
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                                        and i've never seen a program that worked flawlessly on its initial release. have you?

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                                        • C Chris Losinger

                                          and i've never seen a program that worked flawlessly on its initial release. have you?

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                                          3n1g
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                                          I was talking in a general sense. not developer wise. To answer your question, no, I don't think I have. But on a project like this is not good enough for it to be working in 1 year. It needs to work now, or atthe very least in a few weeks.

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