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Firebug lives inside Firefox. (Chrome's debug tools live inside Chrome, etc). Opening up that level of access to the guts to an external application would bring back the whole how do we secure the system when allowing the browser it to run things that have unfettered access to the rest of the system problem again. That's no less insane now than it was 15 years ago when the lunatics in Redmond were pushing activeX in the browser.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
It's not that I don't understand what you're saying conceptually, just that both Firefox and Chrome have a solution. Microsoft, which owns both IE and VS, doesn't. I don't recall hearing much of a public outcry calling Firefox and Chrome evil for implementing thier solutions. The fact that Microsoft hasn't come up with an acceptable one of their own is just weak.
Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living with Your Creativity The Career Programmer
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We cannot tell you. Everyone must find their own Way to Bob.
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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Leslie! :laugh:
speramus in juniperus
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It's not that I don't understand what you're saying conceptually, just that both Firefox and Chrome have a solution. Microsoft, which owns both IE and VS, doesn't. I don't recall hearing much of a public outcry calling Firefox and Chrome evil for implementing thier solutions. The fact that Microsoft hasn't come up with an acceptable one of their own is just weak.
Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living with Your Creativity The Career Programmer
IE does have developer tools. Like Chrome and Firefox they're built into the browser. In addition to the security benefits from not opening the browser wide to the rest of the OS, doing it in the browser means that devs can debug in IE using any webstack not just MS's. Creating a special deeply embedded version of IE as part of VS might make things a bit easier; but it would only be a supplement to existing tools and IMO the VS team has other much more useful things that they could work on instead. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd565627%28v=vs.85%29.aspx[^]
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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IE does have developer tools. Like Chrome and Firefox they're built into the browser. In addition to the security benefits from not opening the browser wide to the rest of the OS, doing it in the browser means that devs can debug in IE using any webstack not just MS's. Creating a special deeply embedded version of IE as part of VS might make things a bit easier; but it would only be a supplement to existing tools and IMO the VS team has other much more useful things that they could work on instead. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd565627%28v=vs.85%29.aspx[^]
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
What you're saying makes sense, I just miss high quality, integrated development tools. In other words, I miss Borland. :) And thanks for the link, man.
Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living with Your Creativity The Career Programmer
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We cannot tell you. Everyone must find their own Way to Bob.
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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Please, remind me how the green dude in the left top corner (which is now with the 2 bats , the white cloth and the cute bag) was named ?
Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true
I don't discuss religion or politics in the lounge.
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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Okay, I realize I'm late to the party with this realization, but still... I've stuck with web forms and server side C# for years because it felt like a 'normal' development environment. Now I remember why. I'm in the land of mvc, javascript, jquery, etc., at which point I need to set breakpoints, inspect variables, you know, the things one would expect a development environment to allow. And you can't set breakpoints or debug javascript in VS 2012. I had to install Firebug in order to get a debugger. Are you freakin' kidding me? If the Firefox / Firebug team can debug javascript, then it's clearly possible. So how is it that the VS team is so incompetent that they can't provide this most basic functionality in what's supposed to be a professional class development environment? Please, for the love of Bob, would someone come up with a cross platform application designed to run global tcp/ip programs (i.e. a replacement for the crappy app VM known as a browser)? Web browsers, html, javascript et al comprise the most amateur hour environment I've ever seen. I had better tools coding for DOS.
Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living with Your Creativity The Career Programmer
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Please, for the love of Bob, would someone come up with a cross platform application
Here you go... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob[^] :)
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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Okay, I realize I'm late to the party with this realization, but still... I've stuck with web forms and server side C# for years because it felt like a 'normal' development environment. Now I remember why. I'm in the land of mvc, javascript, jquery, etc., at which point I need to set breakpoints, inspect variables, you know, the things one would expect a development environment to allow. And you can't set breakpoints or debug javascript in VS 2012. I had to install Firebug in order to get a debugger. Are you freakin' kidding me? If the Firefox / Firebug team can debug javascript, then it's clearly possible. So how is it that the VS team is so incompetent that they can't provide this most basic functionality in what's supposed to be a professional class development environment? Please, for the love of Bob, would someone come up with a cross platform application designed to run global tcp/ip programs (i.e. a replacement for the crappy app VM known as a browser)? Web browsers, html, javascript et al comprise the most amateur hour environment I've ever seen. I had better tools coding for DOS.
Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living with Your Creativity The Career Programmer
Yep, it sucks that you can't do that from VS. I just use the old IE F12 and set breakpoints there. At least you can see what is going on, or verify that events are firing...which is one of my gripes with IE10 at the moment.
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