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One does not need to have studied a subject in order to believe in it. And it is not a question of faith. Where evidence exists that supports a theory then the theory is sound. Science exists mainly not to support a good theory, but to disprove a bad one. To not accept evolution as the driving force of nature is to reject all the evidence of one's own eyes. You can observe evolution in action, so it obviously does exist. And there is currently NO other explanation for speciation. Ensatina is a great example of observable speciation. It is a ring species that shows how simple evolution really is. Melospiza melodia is another.
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Dave lets start with one fact, you have an interest in the theory of evolution. I don't have an interest in the theory on evolution, I know it exists but why should I believe in something that I have no interest in?
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Dave lets start with one fact, you have an interest in the theory of evolution. I don't have an interest in the theory on evolution, I know it exists but why should I believe in something that I have no interest in?
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Simon_Whale wrote:
I know it exists
QED
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Simon_Whale wrote:
I know it exists
QED
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that doesn't mean I belive in it though Dave else on that answer from you I'd be religous as that also exists.
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That is not proof. I have a theory that my dog can talk, but they haven't disputed that either so it must be true.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
they haven't disputed that either so it must be true.
I dispute it. Your turn.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
they haven't disputed that either so it must be true.
I dispute it. Your turn.
The busier I am, the more I procrastinate. - Chris "The Mighty" Maunder
I dispute the moon landings, therefore they didn't happen.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Half of British Adults don't believe in Evolution? Really? I didn't realise there were so many stupid people. Although a lot of them will be prepared to believe in a sky pixie or some other shite like that.
my lack of belief in the subject comes from ignorance as it doesn't intrest me. Does that make me stupid?
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I think you've hit the nail on the head. I'm sure someone questioned this "fact" a while back and the study was flawed, as most people have no idea how evolution works on a basic level and this counted as non-belief. It is surprising how poor the public understanding of evolution is, even among people who have take some interest (e.g people hold we descended from chimpanzees, whereas we descended from a common ancestor with the chimpanzees, albeit a chimp-like ancestor). I'm curious: do you actually have no interest in evolution or is this a debating position for DD?
PB 369,783 wrote:
I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]
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See Here for DT Article[^] Americans are one third of the mass of humanity? Possibly, I have seen some big people there. Half of British Adults don't believe in Evolution? Really? I didn't realise there were so many stupid people. Although a lot of them will be prepared to believe in a sky pixie or some other shite like that. Shark Bay in Australia is now called “Safety Beach”. So it is.[^] I shall not bother going there then. Had it been Shark Bay I would have gone but now the fluffy pussy brigade have taken over the Ocker Homeland I suppose it is just a matter of time before MM is wearing a tutu and sipping a pink gin.
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The Moon is shaped like an egg: it only looks round because the big end points towards Earth.
Shouldn't it be like egg is shaped like moon? I guess Moon existed before eggs did.
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One does not need to have studied a subject in order to believe in it. And it is not a question of faith. Where evidence exists that supports a theory then the theory is sound. Science exists mainly not to support a good theory, but to disprove a bad one. To not accept evolution as the driving force of nature is to reject all the evidence of one's own eyes. You can observe evolution in action, so it obviously does exist. And there is currently NO other explanation for speciation. Ensatina is a great example of observable speciation. It is a ring species that shows how simple evolution really is. Melospiza melodia is another.
--------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
Dalek Dave wrote:
To not accept evolution as the driving force of nature is to reject all the evidence of one's own eyes.
Now, that was a little to much.
Dalek Dave wrote:
And there is currently NO other explanation for speciation.
Keyword being currently. Science is not static. Tomorow things may change, something new may be discovered. Evolution is a theory, and as all science theories, it may be replaced by a better one someday.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
To not accept evolution as the driving force of nature is to reject all the evidence of one's own eyes.
Now, that was a little to much.
Dalek Dave wrote:
And there is currently NO other explanation for speciation.
Keyword being currently. Science is not static. Tomorow things may change, something new may be discovered. Evolution is a theory, and as all science theories, it may be replaced by a better one someday.
That is why the word CURRENTLY is in there. I am doing a degree in evolutionary biology and know whereof I speak.
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I think you've hit the nail on the head. I'm sure someone questioned this "fact" a while back and the study was flawed, as most people have no idea how evolution works on a basic level and this counted as non-belief. It is surprising how poor the public understanding of evolution is, even among people who have take some interest (e.g people hold we descended from chimpanzees, whereas we descended from a common ancestor with the chimpanzees, albeit a chimp-like ancestor). I'm curious: do you actually have no interest in evolution or is this a debating position for DD?
PB 369,783 wrote:
I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]
I have no general interest in the subject. But just bored at work redesigning a database schema to work around some specification changes so just having fun to see IF Dave would directly answer rather than skirt around it.
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The Moon is shaped like an egg: it only looks round because the big end points towards Earth.
Shouldn't it be like egg is shaped like moon? I guess Moon existed before eggs did.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
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I have no general interest in the subject. But just bored at work redesigning a database schema to work around some specification changes so just having fun to see IF Dave would directly answer rather than skirt around it.
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I am running tax reports that involve a lot of sitting looking at a screen whilst doing nothing. It seems we both have time on our hands today!
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I believe the Earth travels round the sun. The church said it didn't and many people believed the church. And that is the problem. Religion is a barrier to intelligent thought and scientific reasoning. Just because it was written in a book don't make it so. (qv the same is true of science, and the default position is to say I Don't Know, but the current theory that fits the facts and observed evidence is [INSERT CURRENT THEORY] For many years teachers told children to sit upright else they would damage their backs, but this has since been found out to be rubbish and that slouching is better. However the dogma persists and children are being damaged by ignorance.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I believe the Earth travels round the sun.
Only "believe"? Not "know"?
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I believe the Earth travels round the sun. The church said it didn't and many people believed the church. And that is the problem. Religion is a barrier to intelligent thought and scientific reasoning. Just because it was written in a book don't make it so. (qv the same is true of science, and the default position is to say I Don't Know, but the current theory that fits the facts and observed evidence is [INSERT CURRENT THEORY] For many years teachers told children to sit upright else they would damage their backs, but this has since been found out to be rubbish and that slouching is better. However the dogma persists and children are being damaged by ignorance.
--------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
I'll just drop this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus[^] The guy that said that earth travels around the sun was from the church. I do agree with you that dogma and lack of intelligent thought/scientific reasoning is bad, but being religious does not implies that.
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I think you should change your handle to "Owler"
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Trust me on this, I don't export 'em!
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Trust me on this, I don't export 'em!
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
Just the exhausted carcasses?
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See Here for DT Article[^] Americans are one third of the mass of humanity? Possibly, I have seen some big people there. Half of British Adults don't believe in Evolution? Really? I didn't realise there were so many stupid people. Although a lot of them will be prepared to believe in a sky pixie or some other shite like that. Shark Bay in Australia is now called “Safety Beach”. So it is.[^] I shall not bother going there then. Had it been Shark Bay I would have gone but now the fluffy pussy brigade have taken over the Ocker Homeland I suppose it is just a matter of time before MM is wearing a tutu and sipping a pink gin.
--------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Half of British Adults don't believe in Evolution? Really? I didn't realise there were so many stupid people.
I don't believe in Evolution. It's a theory (or a process, whichever) and as such it happens regardless of belief - that is pretty much fundamental to the Scientific Method. A belief is accepting a concept as the truth regardless of evidence or any form of support. Evolution does not require me to believe in it to work, any more than gravity does (or distortion in space-time if you want to get picky).
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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I believe the Earth travels round the sun. The church said it didn't and many people believed the church. And that is the problem. Religion is a barrier to intelligent thought and scientific reasoning. Just because it was written in a book don't make it so. (qv the same is true of science, and the default position is to say I Don't Know, but the current theory that fits the facts and observed evidence is [INSERT CURRENT THEORY] For many years teachers told children to sit upright else they would damage their backs, but this has since been found out to be rubbish and that slouching is better. However the dogma persists and children are being damaged by ignorance.
--------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
By your reasoning, here's a short list of stupid people, some who wrote books: Johannes Kepler, Louis Pasteur, Isaac Newton, the Wright brothers, Albert Einstein, Max Planck, Michael Faraday, Neils Bohr, Galileo Galilei, James Clerk Maxwell, Edwin Hubble, Dmitri Mendeleev, Erwin Schroedinger… I'm not telling you that your belief is correct or incorrect, but when you make sweeping statements, it does not help your argument.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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I'll just drop this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus[^] The guy that said that earth travels around the sun was from the church. I do agree with you that dogma and lack of intelligent thought/scientific reasoning is bad, but being religious does not implies that.
But from reading about Galileo much of his work was agreed from the Catholic church but they said that it couldn't conflict with people's religious beliefs. from what I read it implied that the church tried to suppress scientific advancements in its early years to safeguard its teachings. But I also believe that it didn't suppress science or intellectual advancement but very selective at the time due to its power what it released / agreed with.
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That is why the word CURRENTLY is in there. I am doing a degree in evolutionary biology and know whereof I speak.
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