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  • M Mohammed Hameed

    SVN is to Developers | TFS is to Build/Deployment Engineers! Do you Agree? Please share your thoughts...

    Explore.Code.Experiment.Excel!!! --------------------------------------------------------- My blog - My recent article

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    Ravi Bhavnani
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    I disagree.  More like: SVN is to Developers | TFS is to Project Management, Developers, Build/Deployment Engineers /ravi

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      I disagree.  More like: SVN is to Developers | TFS is to Project Management, Developers, Build/Deployment Engineers /ravi

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      Mohammed Hameed
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      Thanks Ravi. That's short but good answer.:thumbsup:

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      • M Mohammed Hameed

        SVN is to Developers | TFS is to Build/Deployment Engineers! Do you Agree? Please share your thoughts...

        Explore.Code.Experiment.Excel!!! --------------------------------------------------------- My blog - My recent article

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        Pete OHanlon
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        Mohammed Hameed wrote:

        TFS is to Build/Deployment Engineers!

        Why not developers? I use TFS for source control, so why is it not for me as a developer?

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          I do not agree. Subversion is not appropriate for code development at all. TFS is somewhat more appropriate.

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          Cristian Amarie
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          SVN is appropriate for development. At least, it is so invisible and does its job so I can concentrate on development.

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            SVN is appropriate for development. At least, it is so invisible and does its job so I can concentrate on development.

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            Joe Woodbury
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            Until you branch.

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            • J Joe Woodbury

              Until you branch.

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              Cristian Amarie
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              I am using branches. I know it's not the state of art of branching as in git (where I hear you need a dedicated guy to do merges), but I also prefer to merge rarely and not spend my life in console. I know what's mercurial and git (not much), but svn is - for me, as part of both a small team and large teams - the right tool for the job.

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              • M Mohammed Hameed

                SVN is to Developers | TFS is to Build/Deployment Engineers! Do you Agree? Please share your thoughts...

                Explore.Code.Experiment.Excel!!! --------------------------------------------------------- My blog - My recent article

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                R Giskard Reventlov
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                No: used TFS as a developer for a few years and it does a good job. Used Subversion in the past and it was fiddly and unpredictable so perfectly suited for white board project managers.

                "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures

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                • M Mohammed Hameed

                  SVN is to Developers | TFS is to Build/Deployment Engineers! Do you Agree? Please share your thoughts...

                  Explore.Code.Experiment.Excel!!! --------------------------------------------------------- My blog - My recent article

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                  Lost User
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                  SVN is to people with modest hardware available | TFS is to people with money Assuming self hosting, anyway.

                  MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                  • J Joe Woodbury

                    Until you branch.

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                    Albert Holguin
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                    Branches aren't exactly the easiest to deal with in SVN, but after you do it a few times it's not all that bad.

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                    • A Albert Holguin

                      Branches aren't exactly the easiest to deal with in SVN, but after you do it a few times it's not all that bad.

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                      Joe Woodbury
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                      Having used version control systems that did branching right and witnessing all the problems with SVN branching, to me it's bad enough to never use SVN if I have a say.

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                      • J Joe Woodbury

                        Having used version control systems that did branching right and witnessing all the problems with SVN branching, to me it's bad enough to never use SVN if I have a say.

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                        Albert Holguin
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                        :laugh:

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                        • M Mohammed Hameed

                          SVN is to Developers | TFS is to Build/Deployment Engineers! Do you Agree? Please share your thoughts...

                          Explore.Code.Experiment.Excel!!! --------------------------------------------------------- My blog - My recent article

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                          DJ van Wyk
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                          After managing TFS (while doing lots of coding as well) I switched over to SVN when I started working at a new company. I have to say I that I much prefer TFS. In SVNs defence, I have very little working experience with it. Having said that, I found that TFS is a full ALM solution which made collaboration and deployments much, much easier than anything else I've used.

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                          • P Pete OHanlon

                            Mohammed Hameed wrote:

                            TFS is to Build/Deployment Engineers!

                            Why not developers? I use TFS for source control, so why is it not for me as a developer?

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                            Mohammed Hameed
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                            I didnt say it is not for Developers. I mean TFS should be preferably used by Build engineers because of its features.

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                            • R R Giskard Reventlov

                              No: used TFS as a developer for a few years and it does a good job. Used Subversion in the past and it was fiddly and unpredictable so perfectly suited for white board project managers.

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                              Mohammed Hameed
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                              Thank Mark. I also have similar experience for TFS & SVN as yours.

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                                SVN is to people with modest hardware available | TFS is to people with money Assuming self hosting, anyway.

                                MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                                Mohammed Hameed
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                                Did it mean all the options/features available in TFS is also available in SVN?

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                                • R Ravi Bhavnani

                                  I disagree.  More like: SVN is to Developers | TFS is to Project Management, Developers, Build/Deployment Engineers /ravi

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                                  sir_download_alot
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                                  Agree!

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                                  • J Joe Woodbury

                                    Having used version control systems that did branching right and witnessing all the problems with SVN branching, to me it's bad enough to never use SVN if I have a say.

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                                    Fabio Franco
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                                    I've been branching with SVN for several years now with no major problems, unlike TFS that the few times I used branching, caused major headaches and code break outs.

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                                    • M Mohammed Hameed

                                      SVN is to Developers | TFS is to Build/Deployment Engineers! Do you Agree? Please share your thoughts...

                                      Explore.Code.Experiment.Excel!!! --------------------------------------------------------- My blog - My recent article

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                                      Steve Naidamast
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                                      I have used SVN, TFS, Mercurial, VSS (and I agree, completely terrible) and IBM's Mercury over the many years I have been in the IT profession. Whatever failings or drawbacks SVN may have, one area in which it really shines where the others don't, with the exception of Mercurial, is that it is completely invisible for use by small teams. You update your code-base in the morning and commit your updates at night letting SVN figure out the complexities of merging many user updates to the same modules at the same time. And all of this can be done through the Explorer plugin, "TortoiseSVN". No mess, no fuss. True there are issues with SVN but there are issues with all SCM systems. Think TFS is better? Try changing the name of your project and storing it in the same place...

                                      Steve Naidamast Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@ix.netcom.com

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                                      • J Joe Woodbury

                                        Until you branch.

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                                        Stefan_Lang
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                                        It used to be difficult to keep track of which versions you already had merged to a branch and which not, but since about 2 years SVN keeps track of that information for you: i. e. once you wish to merge back to head you can just merge the entire history since you branched and SVN will prevent any duplicate merges! If there are any other issues regarding branching (that other VCSs don't share) I am not aware of them.

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                                        • M Mohammed Hameed

                                          Did it mean all the options/features available in TFS is also available in SVN?

                                          Explore.Code.Experiment.Excel!!! --------------------------------------------------------- My blog - My recent article

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                                          Lost User
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                                          NO, I think TFS has a load more features, but you need to look at what you want or need - it's not worth spending money and additional time to learn to use features you don't need

                                          MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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