Nelson Mandela, terrorist, bomber, murderer
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Sorry, but no. The ANC won in the end, so he was a Freedom Fighter battling against an Oppressive and Brutal Regime. If they had lost, then he would have been a Terrorist trying to overthrow the Legitimate Government against the wishes of the People. (Just as the pro-apartheid government claimed when they were still in power.) But they didn't lose - the oppressive regime did. Thankfully.
Doesnt matter who won, he was stil a terrorist at a time when soneone else of true nobility fought sucessfully against apartheid without resorting to violence.
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I am not speaking ill of the dead, merely pointing out the cras hypocrisy of the worlds leaders today. And anyone here who hero worships him. And if you think thats abusive then you are a fool.
Erudite_Eric wrote:
And if you think thats abusive then you are a fool.
Thank you, I'll wear that title with pride. It's abusive because you're merely making an issue out of it due to the emotional point that you don't like to ignore the fact that hero's and saint's do not exist by definition.
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By that definition, George Washington and his cronies[^] were terrorists who should have been hanged for treason.
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They were Traitors and should have hanged.
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Come on Eric, you know as well as I do that people hate keeping things in perspective. The People have decided that Mandela is a Pretty Cool Guy - you can't just start disagreeing, especially not if you cite facts. Facts are stupid.
I find citing facts and citing Wikipedia are two completely different things. They may occasionally be the same but they don't have to. ;) I don't consider Wikipedia to be a proof for anything :)
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
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I find citing facts and citing Wikipedia are two completely different things. They may occasionally be the same but they don't have to. ;) I don't consider Wikipedia to be a proof for anything :)
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They dropped it in The Ocean back in October - or was it New Years Day?
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
Don't forget his ex-wife, Winnie. She apparently did her best to eradicate male virginity in SA while he was incarcerated doing porridge. When she did have intimate relations with him they were alluded to an iconic statue in Trafalgar Square like thus: Q. What slides up and down Nelson's Column? A. Winnie.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
:wondering: *from all these madiba post (including this one), rants etc, who is actually born, raised and still living in RSA. :doh: Having opinion of who actually lived through all this? And would you dare admit you might be wrong? Luckily freedom of speech allows for own opinions :laugh: I am getting my popcorn, this is going to be a good one :-\
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
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They were Traitors and should have hanged.
--------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
I am on their side actually. It was just the Englich Civil War part 2, fighting against a king trying to impose unjust taxation. In fact many at the time were also on their side, many British Officiers refused to take part in any attempt to control the rebellion.
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Don't forget his ex-wife, Winnie. She apparently did her best to eradicate male virginity in SA while he was incarcerated doing porridge. When she did have intimate relations with him they were alluded to an iconic statue in Trafalgar Square like thus: Q. What slides up and down Nelson's Column? A. Winnie.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
X| Oh dear I may feel my lunch returning :laugh:
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
So what's your take on Mandela/ANC compared to the regime they were fighting? Serious answer please.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers. Buckminster Fuller
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I am on their side actually. It was just the Englich Civil War part 2, fighting against a king trying to impose unjust taxation. In fact many at the time were also on their side, many British Officiers refused to take part in any attempt to control the rebellion.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
And if you think thats abusive then you are a fool.
Thank you, I'll wear that title with pride. It's abusive because you're merely making an issue out of it due to the emotional point that you don't like to ignore the fact that hero's and saint's do not exist by definition.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
What on earthis that supposed to mean? I am abusive because I am emotionally NOT ignoring the fact saints dont exist? How the hell does that work?
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
And if you think thats abusive then you are a fool.
Thank you, I'll wear that title with pride. It's abusive because you're merely making an issue out of it due to the emotional point that you don't like to ignore the fact that hero's and saint's do not exist by definition.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Well done :cool: [like I said on his post]
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
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:)
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So what's your take on Mandela/ANC compared to the regime they were fighting? Serious answer please.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers. Buckminster Fuller
Of course aparthied was wrong, but it wasnt unique to SA, the US also had it, and it was also fought against, but passively. And thats the difference. King was a hero, Mandella a terrorist.
