Nelson Mandela, terrorist, bomber, murderer
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So what's your take on Mandela/ANC compared to the regime they were fighting? Serious answer please.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers. Buckminster Fuller
Of course aparthied was wrong, but it wasnt unique to SA, the US also had it, and it was also fought against, but passively. And thats the difference. King was a hero, Mandella a terrorist.
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How did you react when Bin Laden died?
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
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Of course aparthied was wrong, but it wasnt unique to SA, the US also had it, and it was also fought against, but passively. And thats the difference. King was a hero, Mandella a terrorist.
But the level of oppression between the US and SA was also on quite different levels. Especially when you take the level of official oppression in account.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers. Buckminster Fuller
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:wondering: *from all these madiba post (including this one), rants etc, who is actually born, raised and still living in RSA. :doh: Having opinion of who actually lived through all this? And would you dare admit you might be wrong? Luckily freedom of speech allows for own opinions :laugh: I am getting my popcorn, this is going to be a good one :-\
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Whats that got to do with it? OK, my dads from cape town, my brother lives there now. Does that make any difference? He was a terrorist, the world forgetting that fact shows how utterly two faced it is.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
unjust taxation
I pity you. I never knew unjust taxation was a greater crime than apartheid.
Is that supposed to be clever or something? I merely point out to Dave that I would be on the side of the english rebels and you attempt to make it look as if I think unjust taxation is worse than apartheid. Where did you fail to read the bit where I described Martin Luther King as noble and heroic for his passive fight against segregation? Oh sorry, yes, you just plain forgot to read that bit in your quest for cheap virtue by trying to paint me a racist. Idiot.
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Even trolls should have respect for the dead.
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Is that supposed to be clever or something? I merely point out to Dave that I would be on the side of the english rebels and you attempt to make it look as if I think unjust taxation is worse than apartheid. Where did you fail to read the bit where I described Martin Luther King as noble and heroic for his passive fight against segregation? Oh sorry, yes, you just plain forgot to read that bit in your quest for cheap virtue by trying to paint me a racist. Idiot.
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Whats that got to do with it? OK, my dads from cape town, my brother lives there now. Does that make any difference? He was a terrorist, the world forgetting that fact shows how utterly two faced it is.
first read my post
CBadger wrote:
I am getting my popcorn, this is going to be a good one :-\
secondly, you are quite a interesting trollie. How is it that the biggest empty cans make the most noise? :suss: I just read all your replies and statements and truly there is one definite answer to be found. (Not that I can really say it here for I do not want my post to be deleted and marked as 'Message has been automatically removed') :~ hold that thought let me just get more popcorn... :rolleyes:
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first read my post
CBadger wrote:
I am getting my popcorn, this is going to be a good one :-\
secondly, you are quite a interesting trollie. How is it that the biggest empty cans make the most noise? :suss: I just read all your replies and statements and truly there is one definite answer to be found. (Not that I can really say it here for I do not want my post to be deleted and marked as 'Message has been automatically removed') :~ hold that thought let me just get more popcorn... :rolleyes:
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CBadger wrote:
first read my post
I did. If you dont like my reply, try making your post more comprehensible.
CBadger wrote:
secondly, you are quite a interesting trollie.
Oh really. Well I didnt post it to troll, merely to point out some facts.
CBadger wrote:
How is it that the biggest empty cans make the most noise?
because they are big and empty?
CBadger wrote:
Not that I can really say it here
So take it to the soapbox and I will gladly reply.
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You respect Hitler do you? Ah, no thought not. Your morality is subjective isnt it....
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But the level of oppression between the US and SA was also on quite different levels. Especially when you take the level of official oppression in account.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers. Buckminster Fuller
I dont know how much it varied between the US and SA, however blacks were killed in the south. They had to cross the street if a white woman walked down their side of the road, get on their knees and remove their hat if they passed a white man on the pavement. I dont know that SA was worse than that, I dont see how it could be worse.
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It's the one he uses on letters and cheques as well... ;)
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I am not speaking ill of the dead, merely pointing out the cras hypocrisy of the worlds leaders today. And anyone here who hero worships him. And if you think thats abusive then you are a fool.
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:) I was waiting fot that. OK, how about Bin Laden? Personaly dead or alive, scum is scum.
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Is that supposed to be clever or something? I merely point out to Dave that I would be on the side of the english rebels and you attempt to make it look as if I think unjust taxation is worse than apartheid. Where did you fail to read the bit where I described Martin Luther King as noble and heroic for his passive fight against segregation? Oh sorry, yes, you just plain forgot to read that bit in your quest for cheap virtue by trying to paint me a racist. Idiot.
Same old fatboy only arguing the parts that he wants to shout about and ignoring the parts that disagree with his views. from the I would suggest you give yourself a clap, well done you!
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON
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Of course aparthied was wrong, but it wasnt unique to SA, the US also had it, and it was also fought against, but passively. And thats the difference. King was a hero, Mandella a terrorist.
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Of course aparthied was wrong, but it wasnt unique to SA, the US also had it, and it was also fought against, but passively.
The American government is setup so that you can passively fight against it. The SA government was so oppressive a passive fight would have done nothing, right? Not to justify violence but would a passive fight have even worked? Perhaps he did try passive first.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Shameel wrote:
_Josh_ wrote:
FatBoy
Is that a combination of LittleBoy and FatMan?
Well, the was a "song", if you can call it that, some years ago with the title Fatboy slim is elefanting in heaven or something like that. Maybe the name was a reference to that "song".
The good thing about pessimism is, that you are always either right or pleasently surprised.
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Is that supposed to be clever or something? I merely point out to Dave that I would be on the side of the english rebels and you attempt to make it look as if I think unjust taxation is worse than apartheid. Where did you fail to read the bit where I described Martin Luther King as noble and heroic for his passive fight against segregation? Oh sorry, yes, you just plain forgot to read that bit in your quest for cheap virtue by trying to paint me a racist. Idiot.
The point I wanted to make is that you support English rebels who indulged in armed resistance against unjust taxation but you label an armed resistance against apartheid as terrorism. I cannot see it as anything else other than bigotry and racism.
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Of course aparthied was wrong, but it wasnt unique to SA, the US also had it, and it was also fought against, but passively.
The American government is setup so that you can passively fight against it. The SA government was so oppressive a passive fight would have done nothing, right? Not to justify violence but would a passive fight have even worked? Perhaps he did try passive first.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
And how closely did southern states adhere to US govt policy on this?
