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    Nagy Vilmos
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    This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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      This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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      Argonia
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      What about gin, vodka, rum and beer ?

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        This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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        Simon Lee Shugar
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        You should read The Name of The Wind - By Patrick Rothfuss[^]. The magicians like "Naming" things as they have a talent in the naming of things.

        Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil

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          This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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          Nagy Vilmos wrote:

          John, Paul, George and Ringo

          Not very exntensible. I used characters from "The Love Boat" once, and eventually had to add parts of the ship.

          This space intentionally left blank.

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            This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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            And I thought I'm the only idiot spending half of his development time on making self explanatory names... I'm glad not to be alone... But really, Service-Agency-Agent-Process can be good...

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              This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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              Nagy Vilmos wrote:

              Broker

              Prime Minister

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                This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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                Tim Carmichael
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                Broker -> Prime Minister Service -> HouseOfLords Agent -> Mayor Process -> CivilServants Tim

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                  This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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                  Broker - Dispatcher ? Service - Handler ? Agent - Dalek ?

                  ~RaGE();

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                    Broker -> Prime Minister Service -> HouseOfLords Agent -> Mayor Process -> CivilServants Tim

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                    Nagy Vilmos
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                    Seriously? The PM doesn't control the House of Commons let alone the Lords. But this gives me an idea - Possessor, Dominus, Exactoris & Servus.

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                      Broker - Dispatcher ? Service - Handler ? Agent - Dalek ?

                      ~RaGE();

                      I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                      Nagy Vilmos
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                      Rage wrote:

                      Agent - Dalek ?

                      Are you mad? And leave me open to paying royalties to *him*!

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                        Broker - Dispatcher ? Service - Handler ? Agent - Dalek ?

                        ~RaGE();

                        I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                        CCCholic

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                          Seriously? The PM doesn't control the House of Commons let alone the Lords. But this gives me an idea - Possessor, Dominus, Exactoris & Servus.

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                          Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                          Seriously?

                          Of course not serious! But it did provide a logical progression that could be understand, even if it was only a metaphor.

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                            This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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                            I think you've already asked this question[^] in the Q&A long back.

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                              I think you've already asked this question[^] in the Q&A long back.

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                              Nagy Vilmos
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                              [0] This ain't a question. [1] Same component, different issue.

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                                This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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                                Class1, Class2, Class3 and Class4?

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                                  This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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                                  Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                                  Go on then, trivialise the whole thing

                                  Okay... - Broker = Bar - Service = Bartender - Agent = Waiter - Process = Patron


                                  Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.

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                                    This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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                                    Broker => MessageDispatcher Service => MessageManager Agent => MessageHandler Process => MessageTemplate

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                                      This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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                                      Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                                      I'm building a component that is basically a message broker....I just think the names could be better

                                      Like perhaps that it shouldn't be called a "Component"?

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                                        This is really bugging me. I'm building a component that is basically a message broker. The broker has a set of services, which in turn have agents for different messages that are actually dealt with by plug in process components. I'm happy with the way it sits together, but I am not happy with the names I have: - Broker = top level component. It was called Server, but that doesn't sit with Service - Service = logical grouping of message agents that can talk directly to each other [there is a separate protocol for out of server interfacing] - Agent = handles individual messages including their state - Process = plug-ins to process different messages; this is where all the business logic lives. I just think the names could be better. The whole thing is set up with config, so these names become important; well I think they do. Any suggestions? Go on then, trivialise the whole thing and suggest I just call them John, Paul, George and Ringo.

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                                        I'm surprised no one came up with this: Broker -> Pimp Service -> Yeah, you keep that as Service Agent -> John Process -> [...] Job Marc

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                                          You should read The Name of The Wind - By Patrick Rothfuss[^]. The magicians like "Naming" things as they have a talent in the naming of things.

                                          Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil

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                                          Isn't it a great feeling when you find the true name of your graphics processor and it responds when you summon it? :)

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