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I haven't been in a team in the UK where the majority is English for many years. Might have been in 2006, I think. Mind you, as soon as I join a team, the proportion of foreigners goes up.
Our dev team in the UK has 1 Welsh surname, 1 Scots, 3 Irish, 1 Indian, 2 Pakistani, 1 Nigerian, 6 English (whatever that means), although that doesn't match the nationalities or skin colours, and doesn't tell you what accents they have.
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Guess what? You forgot to count yourself, which makes the total count 32. There... how do you feel now? ;P Seriously JSOP, look at CP, it's just hamsters working really hard, and Chris and bunch of other people are taking all the credit, while Bob still rocks! Who cares?
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Rutvik Dave wrote:
Guess what? You forgot to count yourself
Simmons is not Native American. He is just another European immigrant. :~
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Orjan Westin wrote:
Mind you, as soon as I join a team, the proportion of foreigners goes up.
Are you from India or Pakistan? :~
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesHis name is missing two dots, otherwise I'd have guessed he's from Sweden. BTW, your link to ProActive Secure Systems fails with a "500 Internal Server Error"
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You should have been in India 250 years ago when it was really bad. We had all these light colored dudes walking around torturing people and acting as if they ruled us.
I are n00b.
That's nothing, 250 years ago we kept running across vast tracts of land where the people were incapable of running themselves.
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I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]
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His name is missing two dots, otherwise I'd have guessed he's from Sweden. BTW, your link to ProActive Secure Systems fails with a "500 Internal Server Error"
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
BTW, your link to ProActive Secure Systems fails with a "500 Internal Server Error"
Yes, thank you, I moved servers and didn't update that web site. I spent 2 years working on it but ran out of money, story of my life, before it was completed. I will remove the link. If I can figure out how?
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His name is missing two dots, otherwise I'd have guessed he's from Sweden. BTW, your link to ProActive Secure Systems fails with a "500 Internal Server Error"
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
BTW, your link to ProActive Secure Systems fails with a "500 Internal Server Error"
Yes, thank you, I moved servers and didn't update that web site. I spent 2 years working on it but ran out of money, story of my life, before it was completed. I will remove the link. If I can figure out how?
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
BTW, your link to ProActive Secure Systems fails with a "500 Internal Server Error"
Yes, thank you, I moved servers and didn't update that web site. I spent 2 years working on it but ran out of money, story of my life, before it was completed. I will remove the link. If I can figure out how?
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His name is missing two dots, otherwise I'd have guessed he's from Sweden. BTW, your link to ProActive Secure Systems fails with a "500 Internal Server Error"
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
BTW, your link to ProActive Secure Systems fails with a "500 Internal Server Error"
Gone. :-D
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Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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His name is missing two dots, otherwise I'd have guessed he's from Sweden. BTW, your link to ProActive Secure Systems fails with a "500 Internal Server Error"
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]
Yup. I dropped the dots when I moved to England, as it was too tiresome to try to explain to people that it wasn't because I like heavy metal. :-D
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Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Have you looked into this product[^]? ;)
Will Rogers never met me.
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Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
As a thought maybe the Americans should spend some more time doing the job rather than counting? Just a thought.
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What part of the US are you in? It isn't that bad in the UK, no where near, only a few Asians, so I guess the US must have really pushed to get them over while at the same time Americans didn't fancy a life as a coder. Don't blame them, its a pretty crap job in many ways, and you have to be cut out for it.
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You think that is bad, where I am currently has decided to move away from programmers and outsource (sole source) to two companies in India both convicted of felonies in the U.S. for Visa fraud. We have so many people on site that are rotated out ... in fact, some of them were involved in the recent Visa Fraud case. It isn't that there aren't enough developers in the United States but that companies think they don't need to have skill. Instead they outsource but don't insource the required staff to properly create specifications. So what you get is a large group of people that will say yes all the way until you hit a mountain. With no offense to any person from India, when I was learning to be a pilot I was warned by numerous instructors, When you here some one with an Accent from India be on the lookout, they will follow the rules into the ground. As a pilot with less than 200 hours I have had three encounters which I would say, "I am glad I was on the look out" but nothing reportable. Personally, I think outsource could be great but, I have yet to see a place where the programmers in house didn't spend the morning fixing the errors from overseas the previous night. I even worked at a place that gave the overseas people a "fake" environment and just did the work themselves because the offshore center did more bad than good.
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I even worked at a place that gave the overseas people a "fake" environment and just did the work themselves because the offshore center did more bad than good.
Wow. Actually, wow about your whole post, but that last thing, that is just amazing. Marc
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
As a thought maybe the Americans should spend some more time doing the job rather than counting? Just a thought.
jschell wrote:
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Walking around the office this all morning, I counted name plates - five Americans European immigrants and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
As a thought maybe the Americans should spend some more time doing the job rather than counting?
Now you know what he does all day. :rolleyes:
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Have you looked into this product[^]? ;)
Will Rogers never met me.
It would definitely come in handy so that John can communicate with of his work mates. :-D
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Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Well, in my office there are 3 Chinese, 1 from UAE, 1 from Brazil, 1 from Pakistan, 5 Persians and 1 American. I am the lone American and am definitely out numbered.
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Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I know how you feel, from the other side. My team, 3 or possibly 4 locals, 6 Indian, 1 from Burma, 2 from the Philippines and me!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Yup. I dropped the dots when I moved to England, as it was too tiresome to try to explain to people that it wasn't because I like heavy metal. :-D
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Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013So what's the depressing part? - That you're prepared to work for a small sum of money - That your fellow country-men are less hard-working than others - Or that your performance is scrutinized more than it may have been in the past. As a 4th/5th generation Aussie, I can assure you that in a previous job at a local university, the hardest workers were all in from families that had been here for less time than mine, the majority coming from India or Sri-Lanka. They were the least likely to goof-off if they had 'spare' time when there was a process that could be improved, and the most likely to be what I considered bright. They were incidentally, the most friendly and family-oriented people too. Sure, my sample-size was tiny - there were only 300 of us that I had regular/semi-regular contact with. But I'd work with 'imports' every day of the week if I could, much sooner than 'locals'. Complacency is the enemy of the successful. :)
