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Shameel wrote:
ed welch wrote:
After getting rid of Metro
How did you do that?
Installed ClassicShell? :cool:
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You are uneducated.
[edit]: He has a Masters degree from Cambridge.
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Until windows 8 metro I have never seen a app use 64 bits correctly
You are very opinionated for someone with such limited experience (which could be seen as poor education for yourself).
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9 years of post secondary. Tell me about an app that can utilize 200 GB please? Every server environment I have ever worked on has to use virtual machines to utilize that amount of memory or more. Having a masters degree means you can gets grades and follow society - that does not mean he is current on technology. He is indeed uneducated.
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You use buttons "all" the time when Ctrl + C/V is all you need?
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You are uneducated. I am using Two 1080p monitors and multi-core CPU. Until windows 8 metro I have never seen a app use 64 bits correctly, let alone a single app correctly handle 200 GB. The only reason not to like metro is the fact nothing is programmed for it yet. Your opinion is not based on technology, but mere thin air.
What does a single app using 200GB have to do with a terrible end-user UI? 64 bit has been available and (afaik) worked properly since Windows XP, not to mention non-Windows OSs. 64 bit is excellent technology, although beyond the needs of most applications, but it is totally different to Metro. In your next post you talk about servers; you shouldn't even be interacting with a server through a graphical UI in most cases so it's completely nonsensical to talk about Metro wrt servers. Metro isn't even technology, it's a design choice, and a terrible one at that.
Colborne_Greg wrote:
The only reason not to like metro is the fact nothing is programmed for it yet.
No, the reason not to like it (as I've pointed out to you in this thread and others in the past) is that we moved forward from running one application at a time 25 years ago and it's just insane to force people back into a one-at-a-time model, particularly when computers are now powerful enough to easily run a lot of applications in parallel. Why do you think tabbed browsers are so popular?
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I just use ctrl-ins/shift-ins with my right hand (I drive my mouse with my left hand to avoid carpal tunnel issues). Thankfully, they haven't take away all the keyboard shortcuts... yet.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
I'd forgotten about those.
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What does a single app using 200GB have to do with a terrible end-user UI? 64 bit has been available and (afaik) worked properly since Windows XP, not to mention non-Windows OSs. 64 bit is excellent technology, although beyond the needs of most applications, but it is totally different to Metro. In your next post you talk about servers; you shouldn't even be interacting with a server through a graphical UI in most cases so it's completely nonsensical to talk about Metro wrt servers. Metro isn't even technology, it's a design choice, and a terrible one at that.
Colborne_Greg wrote:
The only reason not to like metro is the fact nothing is programmed for it yet.
No, the reason not to like it (as I've pointed out to you in this thread and others in the past) is that we moved forward from running one application at a time 25 years ago and it's just insane to force people back into a one-at-a-time model, particularly when computers are now powerful enough to easily run a lot of applications in parallel. Why do you think tabbed browsers are so popular?
Do you understand what metro is? Metro is not one application at a time model. I suggest you take training on windows 8 to educate yourself on every aspect. The only downfall to metro is the lack of programming for metro. The way metro interacts with the user is limited by the applications you use not windows itself. By the way so you understand what metro is: It is Windows RT aka Windows Runtime aka the .net framework turned into an operating system. Metro is a marvel of absolute programming perfection. The desktop in windows 8 is a metro app.
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Do you understand what metro is? Metro is not one application at a time model. I suggest you take training on windows 8 to educate yourself on every aspect. The only downfall to metro is the lack of programming for metro. The way metro interacts with the user is limited by the applications you use not windows itself. By the way so you understand what metro is: It is Windows RT aka Windows Runtime aka the .net framework turned into an operating system. Metro is a marvel of absolute programming perfection. The desktop in windows 8 is a metro app.
Everyone uses 'Metro' to mean the non-desktop crappy interface in W8. Microsoft initially called it that (see 'Metro styling' all over the web) and it's stuck even though they changed their mind on that. If you don't realise that and think we're talking about the back-end improvements to the OS then your confusion and posts start to make a bit of sense.
Colborne_Greg wrote:
I suggest you take training on windows 8 to educate yourself on every aspect.
Well, no, actually I think I'll just keep using software (and that includes OSs) that makes itself easy to use. In my case that means Classic Shell to hide most of the W8 insanity.
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Everyone uses 'Metro' to mean the non-desktop crappy interface in W8. Microsoft initially called it that (see 'Metro styling' all over the web) and it's stuck even though they changed their mind on that. If you don't realise that and think we're talking about the back-end improvements to the OS then your confusion and posts start to make a bit of sense.
Colborne_Greg wrote:
I suggest you take training on windows 8 to educate yourself on every aspect.
Well, no, actually I think I'll just keep using software (and that includes OSs) that makes itself easy to use. In my case that means Classic Shell to hide most of the W8 insanity.
The user interface of the metro mode is what I am talking about. Metro is mainly about screen partitioning. see that black line - it treats each section of the screen like its own screen (not window, not application) so when an application such as a desktop or a not well thought out metro app - it is put into full screen and given absolute focus; allowing you to control multiple programs at the same time, something the windows desktop can not do. Again educate yourself
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The user interface of the metro mode is what I am talking about. Metro is mainly about screen partitioning. see that black line - it treats each section of the screen like its own screen (not window, not application) so when an application such as a desktop or a not well thought out metro app - it is put into full screen and given absolute focus; allowing you to control multiple programs at the same time, something the windows desktop can not do. Again educate yourself
Screen partitioning, even if it is allowed by the Metro UI (I've never seen it do anything other than run apps full screen), is still vastly inferior to window overlapping as in classic windowed UIs (not just Windows but Mac OS, Unix/Linux window managers and right back to Acorn). I've currently got 10 windows visible on my screens, but 8 of them are just corners sticking out for when I need them.
allowing you to control multiple programs at the same time, something the windows desktop can not do
:confused: It is easy to control multiple programs at once in a windowed UI, that's the whole point!
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The user interface of the metro mode is what I am talking about. Metro is mainly about screen partitioning. see that black line - it treats each section of the screen like its own screen (not window, not application) so when an application such as a desktop or a not well thought out metro app - it is put into full screen and given absolute focus; allowing you to control multiple programs at the same time, something the windows desktop can not do. Again educate yourself
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control multiple programs at the same time, something the windows desktop can not do
You are obviously uneducated! Perhaps you should go on a "desktop" training course where you will learn that the desktop UI is capable of supporting multiple programs at the same time - in fact it does this all the time.
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Metro is a marvel of absolute programming perfection.
What on earth have you been drinking? Or are you a religious fanatic? That is the only time I see someone as vehement about an obviously flawed design philosophy as this statement of yours clearly shows! I am worried about you now. I am glad you don't know where I live.
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It is Windows RT
No, it isn't. At least not all of it.
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The desktop in windows 8 is a metro app
It doesn't seem to run well in a tile. It appears to take over the entire desktop! It appears to be runnable without Metro being there at all so how is it a Metro app? I have more points but I am getting tired of typing - and trying to have a reasoned discussion with a religious fanatic. I should have known better.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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control multiple programs at the same time, something the windows desktop can not do
You are obviously uneducated! Perhaps you should go on a "desktop" training course where you will learn that the desktop UI is capable of supporting multiple programs at the same time - in fact it does this all the time.
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Metro is a marvel of absolute programming perfection.
What on earth have you been drinking? Or are you a religious fanatic? That is the only time I see someone as vehement about an obviously flawed design philosophy as this statement of yours clearly shows! I am worried about you now. I am glad you don't know where I live.
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It is Windows RT
No, it isn't. At least not all of it.
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The desktop in windows 8 is a metro app
It doesn't seem to run well in a tile. It appears to take over the entire desktop! It appears to be runnable without Metro being there at all so how is it a Metro app? I have more points but I am getting tired of typing - and trying to have a reasoned discussion with a religious fanatic. I should have known better.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
The desktop can not have focus to two applications at the same time key word there is focus This means I can type using the keyboard into one app Use my mouse in another app while playing a game in the third with my gamepad the desktop is a piece of shit - grow new skills
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Screen partitioning, even if it is allowed by the Metro UI (I've never seen it do anything other than run apps full screen), is still vastly inferior to window overlapping as in classic windowed UIs (not just Windows but Mac OS, Unix/Linux window managers and right back to Acorn). I've currently got 10 windows visible on my screens, but 8 of them are just corners sticking out for when I need them.
allowing you to control multiple programs at the same time, something the windows desktop can not do
:confused: It is easy to control multiple programs at once in a windowed UI, that's the whole point!
Two windows can not have focus at the same time
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The desktop can not have focus to two applications at the same time key word there is focus This means I can type using the keyboard into one app Use my mouse in another app while playing a game in the third with my gamepad the desktop is a piece of shit - grow new skills
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grow new skills
I think growing an extra arm would be more appropriate based on your claiming to operate on three windows at once! Having multiple input focii is just plain silly!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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grow new skills
I think growing an extra arm would be more appropriate based on your claiming to operate on three windows at once! Having multiple input focii is just plain silly!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Multiple users The tablet is how I discovered it, I had a map half screen, and IE on the other, I was finding directions and my girlfriend started playing around on IE - which worked wonderfully while I searched for directions. Back at home with multiple monitors I am able to play a full screen game while she uses the secondary monitor.
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Multiple users The tablet is how I discovered it, I had a map half screen, and IE on the other, I was finding directions and my girlfriend started playing around on IE - which worked wonderfully while I searched for directions. Back at home with multiple monitors I am able to play a full screen game while she uses the secondary monitor.
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It will all end in tears!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
I write metro apps I wrote Unidex, it will replace SQL ;)
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I write metro apps I wrote Unidex, it will replace SQL ;)
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I write metro apps I wrote Unidex, it will replace SQL
I rest my case - twice!
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The case being? In agile development you'd be the guy in the back that resists change at all cost and denies things without reason.
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The case being? In agile development you'd be the guy in the back that resists change at all cost and denies things without reason.
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In agile development you'd be the guy in the back that resists change at all cost and denies things without reason.
Actually, I am a Certified ScrumMaster and avid agile developer so you are wrong... again. "I rest my case" means I am totally fed up of arguing with a pedantic, fanatical and frankly annoying [expletive deleted]!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.