There are times I am VERY ashamed of living in the US
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A friend of mine told me a similar story about her son's girlfriend (a young lady from the UK) that was treated in much the same way on her return from a visit with her parents about a month ago. As far as I know, she is still in the UK trying to get back - she has (or had) a job, apartment and automobile all here. Very sad :(( Steve
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Colin Davies wrote: She must be one of Nish's relatives !! Uhm, while I do not mind admitting that I am considered a cult figure in Trivandrum, not all of them are my relatives. Followers perhaps, but certainly not relatives. Nish :-D
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Nishant S wrote: do not mind admitting that I am considered a cult figure in Trivandrum Did they make statue of you after you left? Regardz Colin J Davies
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I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:
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Chris Hansson wrote: And incidents like THIS makes that come out : While I fully agree no country should base what is acceptable on other countries, I will say that seems a very minor problem. Sounds like one or two zealous border chaps who made a mistake. Certainly not worth slapping across newspaper/news-website pages and demanding "justice", "punishment" and what not. From the way this has been blown out of proportion it sounds more like she was raped, jailed, tortured and beaten for twelve days than a simple matter which was sorted out in an incredibly fast 4 days. I have had far worse treatment than that.
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Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
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Nishant S wrote: do not mind admitting that I am considered a cult figure in Trivandrum Did they make statue of you after you left? Regardz Colin J Davies
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I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:
Colin Davies wrote: Did they make statue of you after you left? Probably he forgot to send them a picture so they know what he looks like :laugh: :laugh:
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Colin Davies wrote: She must be one of Nish's relatives !! Uhm, while I do not mind admitting that I am considered a cult figure in Trivandrum, not all of them are my relatives. Followers perhaps, but certainly not relatives. Nish :-D
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Nishant S wrote: Followers perhaps, but certainly not relatives. LOL ! :-D Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 MRitter
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Chris Hansson wrote: And incidents like THIS makes that come out : While I fully agree no country should base what is acceptable on other countries, I will say that seems a very minor problem. Sounds like one or two zealous border chaps who made a mistake. Certainly not worth slapping across newspaper/news-website pages and demanding "justice", "punishment" and what not. From the way this has been blown out of proportion it sounds more like she was raped, jailed, tortured and beaten for twelve days than a simple matter which was sorted out in an incredibly fast 4 days. I have had far worse treatment than that.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
Paul Watson wrote: I have had far worse treatment than that. You don't expect this to happen at the good guys base, do you :rolleyes: I agree it is a single incident - but the "pain" she feels is probably from one moment to the other being declared an "un-person": not existing in a legal sense. this can be quite a cultural shock.
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Chris Hansson wrote: And incidents like THIS makes that come out : While I fully agree no country should base what is acceptable on other countries, I will say that seems a very minor problem. Sounds like one or two zealous border chaps who made a mistake. Certainly not worth slapping across newspaper/news-website pages and demanding "justice", "punishment" and what not. From the way this has been blown out of proportion it sounds more like she was raped, jailed, tortured and beaten for twelve days than a simple matter which was sorted out in an incredibly fast 4 days. I have had far worse treatment than that.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
Paul Watson wrote: I will say that seems a very minor problem Remember that Canadian guy who was sent back to Syria despite his family moving to Canada when he was 10 ? He didn't survive (or at least hasn't been heard of again) X| The tigress is here :-D
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Chris Hansson wrote: And incidents like THIS makes that come out : While I fully agree no country should base what is acceptable on other countries, I will say that seems a very minor problem. Sounds like one or two zealous border chaps who made a mistake. Certainly not worth slapping across newspaper/news-website pages and demanding "justice", "punishment" and what not. From the way this has been blown out of proportion it sounds more like she was raped, jailed, tortured and beaten for twelve days than a simple matter which was sorted out in an incredibly fast 4 days. I have had far worse treatment than that.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
Thanks, Paul. We can always count on you for to bring things into a rational perspective. Now for my typical irrational rant - there is probably very little about the U.S. that Cris Hansson isn't ashamed of. I mean, if making a simple, honest mistake in the attempt to make some small, humble effort at defending our borders is enough to set the guy off, one cannot help but wonder how he feels about anything American. People like him are the reason this country has virtually open borders. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
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Compared to Bush's press conference yesterday... now THAT was something to be ashamed of. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Thanks, Paul. We can always count on you for to bring things into a rational perspective. Now for my typical irrational rant - there is probably very little about the U.S. that Cris Hansson isn't ashamed of. I mean, if making a simple, honest mistake in the attempt to make some small, humble effort at defending our borders is enough to set the guy off, one cannot help but wonder how he feels about anything American. People like him are the reason this country has virtually open borders. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
Stan Shannon wrote: I mean, if making a simple, honest mistake in the attempt to make some small, humble effort at defending our borders is enough to set the guy off, one cannot help but wonder how he feels about anything American. Protecting your borders against Canadians / people with dark skin? Targetting potential terrorists would be a better idea.
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Compared to Bush's press conference yesterday... now THAT was something to be ashamed of. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Hmmm, I actually found myself quite proud of it. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
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Stan Shannon wrote: I mean, if making a simple, honest mistake in the attempt to make some small, humble effort at defending our borders is enough to set the guy off, one cannot help but wonder how he feels about anything American. Protecting your borders against Canadians / people with dark skin? Targetting potential terrorists would be a better idea.
Dan Bennett wrote: Protecting your borders against Canadians / people with dark skin? Well, considering Jim Carrey, maybe we should be, and considering all the dark skin people we are allowing to flow freely across our Southern border I think you would hard pressed to argue that we are trying to select them out as a matter of policy. Dan Bennett wrote: Targetting potential terrorists would be a better idea. And you think that can be done without ever making a mistake? "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
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Dan Bennett wrote: Protecting your borders against Canadians / people with dark skin? Well, considering Jim Carrey, maybe we should be, and considering all the dark skin people we are allowing to flow freely across our Southern border I think you would hard pressed to argue that we are trying to select them out as a matter of policy. Dan Bennett wrote: Targetting potential terrorists would be a better idea. And you think that can be done without ever making a mistake? "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
Stan Shannon wrote: Well, considering Jim Carrey Ok, point taken. Stan Shannon wrote: considering all the dark skin people we are allowing to flow freely across our Southern border I think you would hard pressed to argue that we are trying to select them out as a matter of policy. Isn't that more to do with having a huge border to police than policy? Stan Shannon wrote: And you think that can be done without ever making a mistake? No. But it won't be helped by officers who can't tell the difference between a real and fake passport. I'm all in favour of good immigration control, I just prefer it to be done in a professional manner. This is clearly not just an American issue, the UK immigration/customs service has long had a reputation for being heavy handed and considering themselves above the law.
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Compared to Bush's press conference yesterday... now THAT was something to be ashamed of. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Marc Clifton wrote: THAT was something to be ashamed of. ??? He was just restating his stand on the issues, in a very calm and organized manner. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security
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So you're shaming the entire nation based on allegations of a single instance of non-physical abuse by a couple of civil servants?? :confused: Come to think of it... I'm ashamed you live in the US too. ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Incidents like this does make one mad. However, having travelled to many places in the world and of course re-entered the US a billion times, I have come across really friendly immigration officers and real jerks too. This hold true for Holland, France, Belgium, India, Canada, and the US. I think there are some people who just feel super empowered by their position. Reminds me of an old saying which loosely goes like "In his own domain even a jackal becomes a lion." My experiences are quite varied. There are times when the US immigration has treated me better than the Indian immigration (I have an Indian Passport). So while incidents like this are a shame, I think it happens all over and is the result of individulas in most cases rather than a national policy. So I would not go far enough to say that an incident like this make me ashamed of living in the US. In fact one thing is for sure. When something like this happens in the US, it gets the right media coverage and usually some remedial action is taken. Which is usually not true for most other places that I know of. But then again I could be wrong. :-)
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Unfortunately, being people, we often make mistakes. Also, sometimes people just really suck at their jobs, no matter what their position is. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security
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So you're shaming the entire nation based on allegations of a single instance of non-physical abuse by a couple of civil servants?? :confused: Come to think of it... I'm ashamed you live in the US too. ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:
Women: You can't live with them, and you can't get them to dress up in a skimpy Nazi costume and beat you with a warm squash. - Emo Phillips
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