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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    Name one that isn't.

    You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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    I'm sure if I were to name one that you'd argue that it's primary purpose is about raising revenue. And I might agree with you if it were a common event like traffic ticketing. But robbing a bank, for instance, is not a common event, at least not with the frequency of traffic tickets. Even some traffic tickets, especially those associated with traffic accidents, are not primarily about raising revenue.

    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
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    • G GuyThiebaut

      So ,communicating with someone and telling them not to break the law when a cop is present is illegal :wtf: Although it does make sense given the privatisation of jails in the US and the consequent drive to jail people for profit.

      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

      ― Christopher Hitchens

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      jschell
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      GuyThiebaut wrote:

      Although it does make sense given the privatisation of jails in the US and the consequent drive to jail people for profit.

      No none of this is about that. Ticketing to increase revenue is a direct revenue increase. Thus the government entity gets more money. Corporate jails cost the government more money. More inmates means less money for the government.

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        GuyThiebaut wrote:

        Although it does make sense given the privatisation of jails in the US and the consequent drive to jail people for profit.

        No none of this is about that. Ticketing to increase revenue is a direct revenue increase. Thus the government entity gets more money. Corporate jails cost the government more money. More inmates means less money for the government.

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        GuyThiebaut
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        In the world of big money, corporations and government agencies - one tends to find that, strangely enough, those working at the top of government agencies often happen to find themselves with places on the boards of those corporations when they retire. I'm sure it's all above board and I am just a cynic...

        “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

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        • G GuyThiebaut

          In the world of big money, corporations and government agencies - one tends to find that, strangely enough, those working at the top of government agencies often happen to find themselves with places on the boards of those corporations when they retire. I'm sure it's all above board and I am just a cynic...

          “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

          ― Christopher Hitchens

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          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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          GuyThiebaut wrote:

          places on the boards

          GuyThiebaut wrote:

          above board

          So they can just drop right in...

          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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          • N Nish Nishant

            Judge rules trucker flashing headlights is free speech[^] I've never done this, but have had others do it to me - not that I was speeding on any of those occasions.

            Regards, Nish


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            David Cunningham
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            *excellent*

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            • D David Cunningham

              *excellent*

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              Nish Nishant
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              You fast car folks probably need this a little more than us Honda/Toyota drivers. :rolleyes:

              Regards, Nish


              Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Latest article: C++ 11 features in Visual C++ 2013 Preview

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              • N Nish Nishant

                Judge rules trucker flashing headlights is free speech[^] I've never done this, but have had others do it to me - not that I was speeding on any of those occasions.

                Regards, Nish


                Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Latest article: C++ 11 features in Visual C++ 2013 Preview

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                MacSpudster
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                We shall! In the 1980 Idaho State Legislative Session they quasi-adopted (not in full, but sections here & there of) California's then-Traffic Infraction laws and enacted the 1980 Idaho Traffic Infraction Act (TIA). Now, the Idaho Supreme Court (ISC) is authorized via the Idaho Constitution (ICon), Article V, Section 25, (A5-S25) to review law and, if they discover any "defects", can detail those defects and submit them long with a letter to the Governor. The Governor can then, at his/her (we've not had a "her" Gov ... yet) discretion, send that letter and defects onto the Legislature to correct. Seems all fine & well. Keeps things in check, balance of powers between the branches [executive, legislative, judicial]. Oddly, our ICon, Article 2, Section 1 (or A2-S1), calls them not "branch[es]," but "departments," Yet, within the executive branch, they have the various (20+) "departments"; Dept. of Commerce, Dept. of Fish & Game, etc. I'll call the 3 "dept" as defined in ICon A2-S1 "branch[es]". A2-S1 also qualifies the separation of exercising power between the branches; basically, one can't do the other's function; e.g., Executive or Judicial can't make laws, Legislative can't enforce, etc. Well, in 1980, the ISC looked at the TIA and found many defects. So much so, they formed a "study committee" made of solely of other lower district judges, their own ISC staff, and others within the Judicial Branch. This committee would go over the TIA with a fine toothed-comb (per se) and write it correctly. OK, this committee had no executive or legislative members a part of it. Solely of the judicial branch. That committee rewrote 60+ pages of law, including adding new law. They did much of this rewrite using ISC staff inside of the ISC building. Now, Article 1 of ICon is the "Declaration of Rights" that "we the people" have retained that the gov't cannot touch (make laws to the contrary). Article 1, Section 7 (A1-S7) reads: The right to a trial by jury shall remain inviolate". In rewriting 60+ pages, that committee (all judicial that they are) included these elements: - That a traffic infraction citation is neither criminal or civil, but a "public offense"; - That "public offenses" will be treated in court like a misdemeanor (that is, the procedure for 'going to court', but (now, get this), unlike a misdemeanor where there is a jury, for infractions "there shall be no right to a trial by jury" (Idaho Code [IC] §49-1502); This judicial committee then sent the 60+ pages to the ISC Justice

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                • N Nish Nishant

                  You fast car folks probably need this a little more than us Honda/Toyota drivers. :rolleyes:

                  Regards, Nish


                  Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Latest article: C++ 11 features in Visual C++ 2013 Preview

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                  David Cunningham
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                  ;-)

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                  • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                    I'm sure if I were to name one that you'd argue that it's primary purpose is about raising revenue. And I might agree with you if it were a common event like traffic ticketing. But robbing a bank, for instance, is not a common event, at least not with the frequency of traffic tickets. Even some traffic tickets, especially those associated with traffic accidents, are not primarily about raising revenue.

                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                    PIEBALDconsult
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                    Are you saying that there's a fine for bank robbery? Not jail time? :confused:

                    You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                      Are you saying that there's a fine for bank robbery? Not jail time? :confused:

                      You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                      Yes, there's a fine for bank robbery, in conjunction with jail time.

                      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                      • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                        Yes, there's a fine for bank robbery, in conjunction with jail time.

                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                        PIEBALDconsult
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                        Do they take a percentage?

                        You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                          Do they take a percentage?

                          You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                          LOL

                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                          • G GuyThiebaut

                            So ,communicating with someone and telling them not to break the law when a cop is present is illegal :wtf: Although it does make sense given the privatisation of jails in the US and the consequent drive to jail people for profit.

                            “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                            ― Christopher Hitchens

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                            chriselst
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                            A bloke in the UK was found guilty of something along the lines of interfering with police business for warning drivers about a speed camera van a year or two back.

                            Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                            • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                              If that is true, then that only proves the assertion by many that traffic ticketing is mostly for raising revenue rather than traffic safety. Police Officers then become nothing more than armed tax collectors.

                              If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                              You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                              Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                              JimmyRopes
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                              ahmed zahmed wrote:

                              Police Officers then become nothing more than armed tax collectors.

                              Is there a better type of tax collector? :~

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                                ahmed zahmed wrote:

                                Police Officers then become nothing more than armed tax collectors.

                                Is there a better type of tax collector? :~

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                                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                Yes, an unarmed, non-existent one

                                If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                • N Nish Nishant

                                  Judge rules trucker flashing headlights is free speech[^] I've never done this, but have had others do it to me - not that I was speeding on any of those occasions.

                                  Regards, Nish


                                  Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Latest article: C++ 11 features in Visual C++ 2013 Preview

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                                  Ravi Bhavnani
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                                  This was very common in Massachusetts in the 80s.  I didn't know people still did it! :-D /ravi

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                                  • G GuyThiebaut

                                    In the world of big money, corporations and government agencies - one tends to find that, strangely enough, those working at the top of government agencies often happen to find themselves with places on the boards of those corporations when they retire. I'm sure it's all above board and I am just a cynic...

                                    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                    ― Christopher Hitchens

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                                    jschell
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                                    GuyThiebaut wrote:

                                    those working at the top of government agencies often happen to find themselves with places on the boards of those corporations when they retire.

                                    I think that you will find that most elected officials do not end up working for corporate jail corporations in any capacity. Nor does your implied suggestion have anything to do with my comment.

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                                      GuyThiebaut wrote:

                                      those working at the top of government agencies often happen to find themselves with places on the boards of those corporations when they retire.

                                      I think that you will find that most elected officials do not end up working for corporate jail corporations in any capacity. Nor does your implied suggestion have anything to do with my comment.

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                                      GuyThiebaut
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                                      Of course to imply that anyone with power and influence would ever use that as a lever for power in the future would be the most cynical proposition to ever make, an implication which I would never dare to impute on anyone...

                                      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                      ― Christopher Hitchens

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                                      • G GuyThiebaut

                                        Of course to imply that anyone with power and influence would ever use that as a lever for power in the future would be the most cynical proposition to ever make, an implication which I would never dare to impute on anyone...

                                        “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                        ― Christopher Hitchens

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                                        jschell
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                                        Which still has nothing to do with revenue and costs.

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                                        • N Nish Nishant

                                          Judge rules trucker flashing headlights is free speech[^] I've never done this, but have had others do it to me - not that I was speeding on any of those occasions.

                                          Regards, Nish


                                          Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Latest article: C++ 11 features in Visual C++ 2013 Preview

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                                          Lost User
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                                          The fact this had to go to court shows how far out of hand some police officers are at this time.

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